I think it will be FF/FG again with god knows who. Hopefully a left wing party
It will be November 15th
Is it really 30km to your polling station? Are you registered where you live?
I'm presiding officer in the station.
Oh right, you're working! That'll be a dose if the weather turns. There must surely be some contingency plan somewhere. Right?
You'd think so. 😆
Beyond the headline %ages, a further dive down would indicate it’s a long long way back for SF. Would take some sort of major scandal to change things in two weeks.
Seems to be coming down to 2 options
FF/FG
FF/FG + x
https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2024/11/16/coalition-led-by-fianna-fail-and-fine-gael-top-choice-among-voters-indicates-poll/
Who said other parties don't do it ?
Typical whataboutery from the Shinners.
😁 On this very forum the Shinners are routinely called out for this. Here's one comment (5824 on the General Irish Politics Thread) accusing themn of blocking 'every' project in Ireland.
Before we start on them blocking every project in Ireland trying to make as many people homeless as possible
Another:
If the future government was to implement one thing, it would be to stop politicians blocking planning. SF have used this tactic for years now to block projects but also drive up the cost of the units by keeping them in court for years.Shutting down these mindless rejections will speed up housing in Ireland and other projects, allowing us to finally get the housing crisis over
If the future government was to implement one thing, it would be to stop politicians blocking planning. SF have used this tactic for years now to block projects but also drive up the cost of the units by keeping them in court for years.
Shutting down these mindless rejections will speed up housing in Ireland and other projects, allowing us to finally get the housing crisis over
SF have led the way for years now with rejections, not just in Dublin but across Ireland. Majority are based on just blocking properties. MLMD, leader of the working class, blocked a huge complex in Dublin with another person from Foxrock, seemingly it would hurt trees and was high. Absolute joke.That’s only the start of it
SF have led the way for years now with rejections, not just in Dublin but across Ireland. Majority are based on just blocking properties. MLMD, leader of the working class, blocked a huge complex in Dublin with another person from Foxrock, seemingly it would hurt trees and was high. Absolute joke.
That’s only the start of it
Strange that it seems only SF should be called out for objecting housing developments.
It's getting harder and harder to see how it won't be FFG + independent Ireland and Independents.
https://archive.is/dkmBA to avoid paywall
….it wont be II, thats for sure!
none of our 3 main parties will form a government with such a group, they might make it into opposition, but thats as far as it ll go….
the only groupings with ffg will be the usual suspects of the greens, labour, sd's, and some other indies etc, but definitely not II, so dream on!
Please stop framing your held beliefs as fact. Independents will make fewer and less unpalatable demands of the Careerist Politicians in FG and FF than those other parties.
Yup. The bookies actually have it as only two options.
FF/FG (this is now pretty strong favourite, shortening a good bit over last few days. I’m assuming this option includes a couple of independents)
FF/FG/Labour.
Combinations including SD and Greens are very long odds which is surprising to me!
grow up lads, again, none of our 3 main parties will ever form a government with these new extreme groupings, none of them! again, the closest they ll come will be opposition, and thats as far as it ll go, and since sf dont have a hope in hell, its gonna be ffg, and they absolutely wont allow such groupings get anywhere near government, never, and thankfully so!
ffg will hold the balance of power for many government formations to come, so its ultimately gonna be up to them who goes into government with them, and thats how its gonna play out!
welcome to democracy!
You tar all "Independents" with the epitet "Extremist". You are the one who needs to grow up. There are many Independents running, many with reasonable aspirations for the welfare of their local communities and with decent chances of being elected who FF/FG will find quite reasonable coalition members.
Well actually I started this rolling and I didn't just blame SF at all. I said all of the big 3 are talking out both sides on the issue.
Some smaller parties are too but I didn't mention them because they will never have fuk all to do with housing.
It's actually very easy to see that not happening.
and again, ffg will only form a government with groupings they know, not with newer entities they dont, as this would create unpredictability, as ffg will want to create plain vanilla governments until they cant, which is gonna be well into the 30's, maybe even the 40's, so……
again, all others that dont cut the mustard of ffg, will go into opposition, and thats it!
How quickly we forget the Independent Alliance which helped form the Government of 2016-2020 and this time it will probably be the Rural Independent Group who will be courted by FF/FG
Fg have gotten much closer to II and further away from Labour and SDs in key issues. You won't get Labour and SDs blaming immigrants for issues with housing in Ireland. You won't get Labour an3d SD advocating policies that negatively impact the delivery of public transport like FG and II. You won't get Labour and SD advocating for no increases to social welfare when there's a record budget surplus like FG.FG and II position on "woke" issues like the hate speech Bill in more closely aligned than with Labour and SDSD. II position on climate, farming and nitrates will be much closer to FF and FG too.
Independents could form this government.
Loopty-doos like Independent Ireland will not.
Greens not so surprising as they're quite likely to be decimated but I'm not seeing why Soc Dems should be so much loner odds than Labour as a coalition partner as it looks to me like a coin toss which will have more seats.
ffg will court many, but will more than likely default to who they know best, to reduce unpredictability, leaving the opposition to be a right mess….
the world is now in a much different place than we were in 2016, plain vanilla will be the preferred option, to maintain stability….
by all means vote for these future opposition members, they play a vital role
So you agree with me. Independents can help to form this government.
Yes definitely agreed on Soc Dems. Although they and FG/FF have now taken ‘red line’ positions on either side of HTB which may be an issue.
I thought on Greens that if FF/FG get close to a majority that it might be better to have small number of Green seats as a very very weak supporting party (who they know they can work with), rather than a series of random independents. But obviously not likely to be the case.
I have never and will never vote Labour. But I do think they’re the voice of sense on the left of Irish politics so think it’s good to see them relevant again.
…all parties are now in deep bullsh1t mode, all of them, when the cookie crumbles, theyll fall over each other to form a government, so expect all sorts of 'rules' to get ditched during that phase!
…and ffg will default to 'plain vanilla', in order to maintain their position of power!
FF and FG have had to bite their tongues after been drawn in to so many political swamps by the Greens. Just because they are professional enough to keep their mouths shut instead of being accused of stoking discord doesn't mean they will willingly submit to another four year round of it again.
yes its highly unlikely the greens will be back in, but depending on the way the numbers fall, they still actually might, but id say the chances are between slim and none, more so none
I thought on Greens that if FF/FG get close to a majority that it might be better to have small number of Green seats as a very very weak supporting party (who they know they can work with), rather than a series of random independents.
If FF/FG are say 2,3, 4 seats short of a majority and the Greens have roughly that many seats, in theory they woulod get FFG over the line but I'd imagine Harris & Martin would be very reluctant to proceed with such a wafer-thin majority. I don't know what would be regarded as the minimum for a workable majority but I'd imagine it would be somewhere round 5 seats…
Ya and I never said otherwise.
Never underestimate just how fluid a red line can be when their are goodies like Ministers jobs and large investment for the constituencies being handed out!
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