I think it will be FF/FG again with god knows who. Hopefully a left wing party
It will be November 15th
But the post I was replying to was talking about 40 years ago, not the run-up to the crash when banks were throwing money at people.
I don't think you understand.
Sinn Fein have demonstrated through their petty approach to power-sharing in the North, throwing the toys out of the pram at every opportunity, that they are not fit for government.
Question (mostly) evaded, again.
You accused people of not reading your posts, yet you've now spent a few posts trying to turn "further" in to "far"; because you don't want to answer an incredibly simple question and feel that you would can better deal with a misrepresented version of the post.
She didn't rationalise it, unless you consider putting the mental wellbeing of a 16-year old behind the mental well-being of a public personality trained to cope with adversity as rational.
But, you grasp at any straw imaginable to defend MLMD.
Oh my word, we aren't allowed to explain our positions now?
The salivating about the Shinners turning to right continues. We now have the suggestion they are turning to the far-right. How much more ridiculously desperate are folk gonna get I wonder?
With the exception of the smaller parties I don't think in right or left terms, I have said this before. I am right on some issues and left on others. I see all the main parties in the same light.
I can't honesty tell you what the watershed point for me would be on immigration but setting up an umbrella ministry to deal with it and having a look at EU registrations is a long way off that point.
And yet, the SF supporters on here immediately go for a "but FFG!" response when the myriad failings of their own party in every sector are pointed out.
Awful in the Executive in NI. Awful on councils in ROI. Internal coverups. Internal bullying. "Good Republicans" hanging around like a bad smell. Trying on one hand to wave away IRA actions as ancient history while doing stuff like the Storey funeral and posting regular tributes to "Volunteers" who blew themselves up on buses in London etc.
"But FFG!"ing that does not attract voters that already aren't voting for FFG, it just makes SF look more problematic and its online supporters more rabid and single-minded.
I would argue a similar statement, that almost every political party and indie are only going to be capable of going in to Government with both of FFG anyway.
At the end of the 2020 GE FFG were at 73 seats, 8 short of a majority, meaning that in theory All the other parties and indies could have joined forces to keep the civil war parties out of govt
In practice they had enough votes in 2020 without the greens as FFG have a number of indies that will back them all the way if necessary
For me the main difference is that FFG have both dismissed SF out of hand while SF have said they are at least open to negotiations. So to me, and to many others I'm sure, SF seem like the more grown up party
I'd say most SF supporters realise there's lots of non FFG options. Hence the reason MLMD has constantly said she'd prefer a government without FFG.
Straight back to the "SF supporters cannot accept there are non FFG options other than their awful party" thing I see.
Going to be some extremely fun to watch reverse-ferreting if SF do end up going in with FF in a few weeks.
I'd like to see SF lead a government for a term, to see if they could do a half decent job.
Let's be honest, FFG haven't covered themselves in glory this last few governments. Health, housing, immigration all disaster zones.
I love how "it's power sharing" doesn't work as an excuse but "it's a coalition governmnet" does work as an excuse when it comes to trying to justify why FG and FF have implemented absolutely none of the things they promised they'd do if elected to government following this election. 😂
Evaded again.
You are just explaining away your acceptance of a half-arsed apology there. That's what you accept in any and every case of SFs (severe) failings, as the party must be right.
You have supported every move by SF to the right, claiming its due to public opinion; when it is actually just the opinion of a small group of people they assume voted for them before.
How many more shifts to the right will you continue to support? If it is no longer possible to consider them a left wing party, would that be enough?
House price to income ratios have gotten larger and larger over the past 30 years.
Houses were empirically more affordable in the 90s and early 2000s compared to now
you defended the half-arsed apologies to the hilt;
Go read the thread, in it you will see I thought that the O'Donghaile issue was a resigning matter if MLMD could not rationalise it. She did. If you are not concerned about somebody's mental health I would not be supporting you.
I said if that if it emerges the 'mental health' issue was bogus then she would have to go.
This is the usual bullshit I get thrown at me from people who half read threads from their own bias.
SF are a long long way off some of the 'far right' rhetoric we have seen here. When they begin pandering to that vote that is my red line.
Ya I wouldn't know much about Dublin but around my way in Limerick car ownership was minimal (now 2 a house) and people doing the job I do now could afford a home.
I'm not voting for FFG. SF supporters could do with realising that there are other options than voting for their incompetent shower.
SF are only going to be capable of going in to Government with one of FFG anyway.
If you think house prices were cheap and traffic non-existent 40 years ago, you were either not alive then or very very young.
House prices look small from today's perspective, but incomes were small, jobs insecure, interest rates very high and home loans very hard to get. It was common for those who bought a home to be unable to furnish it for a few years. Traffic was in many ways worse, certainly for PT users with no Luas and no bus lanes getting into Dublin city centre was no joke.
As opposed to FFG who are running our health service perfectly and have not created any housing shortage?
Ok then
In all of those cases, you defended the half-arsed apologies to the hilt; even when they needed to be re-re-corrected.
I asked how much further right you were willing to let them go; you're twisting what I asked to avoid answering the question.
But we know you'll defend everything, basically. The party are perfect, the party can do no wrong, once they give a half-arsed apology for it; and all this from someone who apparently only voted for them once and might not again! This isn't credible.
I don't defend everything. On record as saying they need to up their economic policy game and have called them out on stuff they have gotten wrong, like the Storey funeral and MLMD's over the top praise for McDonghaile etc.
Can you tell me what is 'far right' about proposing taking a look at how registrations are working or not working or setting up an umbrella ministry for all involved in immigration is? Which seem to be the only new things they have said.
How does it help owner occupiers though? They still have to pay the same mortgage, they can't in most cases release their equity until they die.
Lifetime loans were always a bad deal but hardly exist on the market since the banking crash.
Massive tax rises, well over 100,000 jobs lost and pay cuts for over 300,000 public servants were the cause of that, you don't give a feck what your house is worth when you're worrying about paying bills.
Yeah, its inaccurate as they are experienced.
They're experienced at being really, really bad at housing, health etc in NI; and in general governance of the councils they have controlled in ROI (Dublin, Monaghan etc).
We know what SF are like in Government. "its power sharing!" doesn't work as an excuse; they'll only ever be in a coalition in ROI and they've shown they're unwilling to stand up for things even when they have a veto in NI that they'd never have in a coalition.
MLMD and Sinn Fein are a completely inexperienced party
This made me laugh haha!
Destroy the economy, increase emigration and cause huge unemployment through naive misguided policies
This is FFG all over though isn't it?
I wouldn't go calling FFG a cult but you do have a strange view of how they operate
So how far right are you willing to let SF go, then? This is the bit you're evading entirely.
You defend every single thing SF does on here. Which is absolutely baffling for an apparently floating voter.
Absolutely, that you agree that MLMD and Sinn Fein are a completely inexperienced party in power that will destroy the economy, increase emigration and cause huge unemployment through naive misguided policies is a major step for you and I offer my congratulations for your bravery.
Not many can step away from a cult so easily.
Here's hoping you never find yourself in need of a bit of welfare
Yes you did.
as if the party position hasn't changed?
I have said on more than one occasion I require a political party to modify and adapt, to accept they are wrong or have failed. I am not aware of a single party who haven't done this, but apparently among the exceptionalists it is unique to SF.
And my main priority is to damage the 100 year old swapping of power between FF and FG or sharing power as pertains now. If I can do that here in my constituency I will even if it means not giving SF a first preference.
Glad to see we're finally agreeing on something
No need for the sarcasm regarding COVID and Ukraine mind, that's a bit harsh…
I never claimed you'd said that. I asked a specific question, one you have entirely failed to answer.
What are your red lines for slavishly supporting the party you apparently aren't even sure you'll vote for?
