I think it will be FF/FG again with god knows who. Hopefully a left wing party
It will be November 15th
Assume you're talking about asylum seekers, who are not illegal immigrants.
And isn't the big problem that they are being housed in unsuitable accommodation, they're not in houses….
Yes, we don't have enough housing stock because there are too many vested interests in keeping property a scarce resource.
And a culture that doesn't want anyone living near them as we seem to be unable to have any kind of anti social behavior rules here. Also, a terrible snobbery problem.
So we end up with scattered low density, expensive to serve housing. And also housing that is internally low density ... huge houses with tiny families.
Also, their has to be planned immigration or there is no housing plan.
Agreed. We need a government that will undertake massive social.housing projects as they did in the last century.
Sinn Fein again can't decide if they're a left or a right wing party.
Fianna Fail have had to clarify that they only want weed decriminalised, not every drug.
Not in the slightest surprised. And we shouldn't be surprised to see the same people spending five years moaning about how we need an election to change the terrible government they elected.
How have you assessed what 'most people' think?
O'Leary is an ignorant, exploitative buffoon, but he's entitled to his opinion, it was the hooting and clapping by the FG crowd that is doing the damage and why there has been a swift reaction to distance themselves from the comments, not least by Burke himself.
DBS were featured on Drivetime tonight. There were 6 prospective candidates on the panel,
O’Callaghan
Geoghegan
Chu
Bacik
Andrews
O’Connell
I thought Andrews was incredibly weak - didn’t come across well. I’d be the last person to give a green a vote, but I thought Chu did okay, certainly held Her own against both of Her coalition colleagues. O’Connell is a no hoper.
It's just a game between the two, they are essentially in competition with each other to be the largest party and thus lead the next government.
Not a hope in hell.
I don't think they will get past 16%
but does ‘leading’ the government mean anything in practice if there’s going to be a rotating Taoiseach and an equal share of the spoils more broadly?
The 32nd government was a minority government with a confidence and supply arrangement with Fianna Fáil. If the next government is based on FF and FG, it will come down to the numbers as to whether it will be a rotating Taoiseach (as per the 33rd government) or something more like the 32nd.
Neither FF or FG will do tge oartnof supporting a minority government, there is notjingnin it for the supporting party. You get flak from other opposition parties who attack you and you do bot have boots under the table. Ff & FG will either be in government or not in government there is nothing to be got by supporting the in government party
How big would the gap between the two have to be to rule out another rotating taoiseach jobbie though? 10 seats? 15? My hunch is FG would conceded a rotating taoiseach to FF irrespective of how far ahead they are because that's the kind of nice middle class boys they are and anything to keep out the shinners. From the other angle, it looks very unlikely to me that FF would have a double-figure seat lead over FG…
I suspect FG and FF will get very close to a combined majority and will be loathe to invite another party in to government.
I think they will be courting Independents. The likes of Team Healy Rae will be able to get commitments on investment for their Communities and I won't begrudge them as they will get things like Bypasses and Hospital Wings which will last long after the Government is gone unlike some of the profligacy we have seen in the last decade. If you have a pragmatic Independent then give them a first or high preference.
There's a difference between a majority and a 'workable majority' though. Say if FFG are two or three seats short of a bare majority, in theory that number of independents would 'get them over the line' but I'm pretty sure Harris & Martin wouldn't want to proceed on that basis. I'm not sure what would be the precise number for a 'workable majority' but governments generally seem to look for majorities of at least five. So I reckon if FFG are even barely below 50% of Dail seats they will be looking to one of the 'small parties' as their third wheel…
Took long enough for a teacher to come to the rescue.
You actually think they want to go back in to Government with parties like Social Democrats or Bacik fronted Labour or Greens?
It's an election-winning position. Make the wealth-creators pay more tax so that the vast majority don't have to. It works until you have no wealth-creators left.
The Soviet bloc tried this approach already after 1945.
That's too early to call.
The range of possibilities for SF go from 12% up to the mid-20s.
FF and FG have a higher floor due to decades of support, but their potential highs are similar.
An awful lot to play for.
if ffg are looking for a 6-7-8 seat bloc to give them a workable majority I think the stability offered by a small party of that size makes them a better option than a clutch of Indos, irrespective of other factors. Ff can actually work comfortably with those soft left parties, fg less keen but would not have strong objections.
Fine Gael have been in coalition several times with Labour and indeed Democratic Left before they joined Labour.
Fianna Fail are the only party to have gone into coalition with a right-wing party.
Progressive Democrats were considered the right wing party in the 80s and 90s. Lower taxes and deregulation. All the Dail parties now agree with Progressive Democrat policies, except for the looney left with the likes of Paul Murphy etc.
Labour went into coalition with fine gael a bunch of times and Fianna Fail once, so they've been in coalition with a right wing party multiple times.
The suggestion was that Fine Gael would be less keen than Fianna Fail to work with Labour, I was just pointing out that history tells a different story.
Labour isn't the problem, Bacik is the problem.
The first time buyers scheme needs to go. I'd agree with Sinn Fein on that. It is driving up prices.
No real difference between FF/FG.
SF tut-tut-tuting, not having any answer for the land ownership issue with their scheme.
Poor showing from the Social Dems and Labour, really just saying they'll reform everything, and they'll go into government with anyone…
PBP doing a great job of talking loudly, waving hands, and adding absolutely nothing.
What a poor showing all around so far
The two governments mnisters are taking a hammering, both of them called out for lying, O’Brien on the inflationary effect of HTB and Donohue on affordable homes.
What's wrong with Bacik? She's very labour, no?
How do people think Labour will do? For lots of reasons I'll never vote Labour but I was stuck by how confident they appeared about their prospects of being in the next government.
