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Election to be called Fri - predict outcome

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    The reason I am not is that I understand cause and effect, or the difference between causation and correlation.

    The increase in homelessness has been caused by unforseen (and unforseeable) immigration into the country. The question you actually have to ask yourself is whether the government's policies eased that problem more than the opposition parties would have eased that problem. That requires a level of engagement above just looking at the figures and ranting.

    If you do it that way, and examine the housing policies of the opposition, you actually begin to worry that things could get a lot worse, a lot quicker.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,747 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Claire Kerrane of Sinn Fein first out of the blocks on immigration - she deleted a post on Facebook where she said an immigrant who commits a crime should be deported.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/sinn-fein-immigration-2-6537275-Nov2024/?utm_source=twitter_short



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,271 ✭✭✭MFPM


    You're being disingenuous now, within three days of the result Matt Carthy definitively ruled out rerunning the refs.

    I didn't 'spin' the date of the refs as the date she said it, that's an invention of your imagination, I said within 3 days of the result, SF ruled out a rerun not the month you falsely alleged.

    Unlike you there is no bias on my behalf I'm not a SF voter, but accuracy is important.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,271 ✭✭✭MFPM


    To blame immigration as the sole cause of homelessness is both reductive and dishonest but I dare say you know that but that political bias on display in your posts is playing out here too!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,747 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Well it clearly hasn't helped the situation. Hundreds of men are living in tents due to the policy of Roderic O'Gorman, who claims there isn't any room left for them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭harryharry25


    Homelessness was increasing regularly before immigration became a major issue in the last few years

    Straight out of the far right playbook Blanch, I would have thought better of you but then again shouldnt be surprise. Anything to defend the Govt



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Its not Roderick O Gormans polices. It's government policies. Based on domestic legislation and international obligations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,972 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Not sure how many times this needs to be repeated but valid criticism of government policies does not mean implicit support of Sinn Fein.

    There are several posters whose knee jerk reaction when someone says anything critical of the governing parties is "Well what about Sinn Fein?".

    It is extremely tedious.

    I am very disappointed in this government in many key areas. However, I will not be voting for Sinn Fein. Please stop patronising people like me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,747 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    The State has been breaking our international obligations to provide shelter to refugees for months and months now. Roderic O'Gorman is the minister overseeing this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,747 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Immigration into the country started back in the 1990s.

    But drug addiction and chaotic lifestyles are also factors in long term homelessness.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭harryharry25


    Micheal Martin throwing a coin in a homeless persona cup, not even looking at the poor man never mind stopping to have a chat

    Horrible horrible individual

    https://x.com/aineinla/status/1854975557857165558t=744GqW66MSmDqRHNi6MnEA&s=19



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Given that we have a massive housing crisis in this country (not of Roderick O Gormans making ) I presume he is doing the best he can with the crap the rest of the government have left him with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,747 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    No. It's a political decision to put refugees into tents to discourage more from coming.

    There are plenty and plenty of empty state buildings and areas that can be used. The State deliberately aren't availing of these to keep refugees away, reflecting the majority view.

    The State is also ramping up deportations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,747 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,956 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    But the problem is He’s not sure which house the tickets were sent to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,026 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Fact is that people in the Middle East have been killing each other on the basis of differing views on imaginary beings for thousands of years, and if humanity still exists in thousands of years time, they'll still bloody be at it. There's feck all we can do about it (and we can't even solve our own much lesser imaginary being problem on our own island).

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    There is nothing wrong with discouraging asylum seekers, and there is nothing wrong with deportations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,026 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Was talking to the other half earlier today prompted by a leaflet we got through the door (a popular independent cllr. who's joined Labour, as it happens) and the subject of photo opportunities came up. When she was canvassing for repeal the 8th, FG candidates turned up but only wanted to get the photo op, so they were told photos only happened at the end. So they started turning up 10 mins before the end of each canvass 🙄 Labour, SDs, PBP, WP (remember them?) were solid. The half of SF that wasn't traditionally conservative RC was too, but in a personal capacity as party policy was still officially against it!

    How many times since then has MLMD taken credit for repeal?

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,026 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Why did she delete it? Everyone, including EU nationals, who lives here is subject to the law and non-citizens have no right to be here if they choose to disobey the law (UK citizens possibly excepted due to the CTA but I'm not cetain, we may still be able to deport them)

    A lot of people including successive Irish governments forget that EU freedom of movement rights apply to workers, not everyone who wants to rock up here.

    US, Canada, Australia etc are quick enough to deport Irish citizens who break the rules. There's nothing whatsoever unfair about that. Those who chose to break the rules knew the rules beforehand.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,271 ✭✭✭MFPM


    Perhaps but the poster was laying the blame for the problem solely at immigration which is simply not true.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,702 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,325 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Not a great start for the MoJ. Getting her spin corrected on X



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 46,303 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Maybe tell us your own preferred policies and maybe also whether you expect your preferred party to enact all of your policy expectations

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  • Site Banned Posts: 2,931 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    FFG are extremely lucky that the alternative parties are so useless. They have been swapping turns at the trough for over a hundred years and are now sharing their time there. Why can't the others get their house in order to come together to oust these goons? House prices and rental prices are at crazy levels. Of course, many in FFG and their friends are developers and landlords. Surely SD, Greens, SF, Labour, PBP etc can come up with some common ground and provide a viable alternative. Individually, the best they can get is to be lapdogs for FFG and get the blame if something is unpopular. Thrash out a program for government together and put petty differences aside.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,987 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Totally agree. I think a viable alternative will emerge but it might take another election cycle. Labour were a decent option back in the day until greedy Gilmore destroyed their credibility after 2011.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,987 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Ok then. 2 questions. 1. How do you think FFG have done in relation to the Emissions targets? 2. Do you think FFG have thwarted the Green agenda over the last 4 years?

    Because their own Climate Action Plan is failing miserably.

    EPA predicts Ireland will miss its emissions targets by a wide margin

    EPA predicts Ireland will miss its emissions targets by a wide margin. The EPA said the first two carbon budgets — 2021-2030 — which aim to support the achievement of this 51% reduction goal will be breached, by a significant margin of between 17% and 27%.

    The EPA have said this many many many times since the Climate Action Plan was published: “The key priority must be to translate the aspiration in our policies and plans to implementation on the ground."

    What went wrong with the implementation details? Green's fault?

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,727 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Deleted



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,189 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Thrash out a program for government together and put petty differences aside.

    Not clear to me that this would boost the combined opposition vote. There's an argument that they are better each pitching to their individual left niche and encouraging their voters to transfer to the others. That way the Greens say are free to go hell for leather with environmental stuff rather than having to water down their policies for the sake of forming a common opposition platform. The coming together can happen in what looks now to be the vanishingly unlikely event they have the numbers to form a government without FF or FG.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭Augme


    More money to throw around from FG. When it comes to public spending,Harris is making Bertie Ahern look frugal.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,987 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Giveaway budget and then this. Trying to buy votes could backfire. Are they suggesting that FF wouldn't let them cut the VAT rate back in the budget? Peter Burke (FG) was pushing hard for it in October. 9% admittedly. Maybe it was all a play.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



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