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Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,418 ✭✭✭letowski


    I think it’s funny that people don’t realise that some states haven’t finished counting, AP has the election at 85% reported. For example California is only at 58%, there’s a good few more million to be counted.

    Now Trump will win the popular vote, the projection is 82m Trump, 75m Kamala. That’s in comparison to 81m Biden, 74m Trump in 2020. But using todays vote count to somehow prove that 2020 was a stolen election is so stupid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 25,006 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    You're not wrong but Democrats have managed to get their message through that fog of disinformation in the recent past (Biden, Obama, even Clinton albeit in different mediasphere). There has to be a way to do it again. My belief is that the path to it is through the likes of Sanders / AOC etc. Actual lefties that fight for working people rather than champagne "socialists" that amass millions during their political careers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 436 ✭✭bewareofthedog




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    For all the nonsense been spouted about what when wrong for Democrats and how their very future is in peril and how they need to bring in the disenfranchised incels and understand more the wooping racists howling at Trump like he 70s Elvis.

    If the polls swung by around 1% in the blue wall she would be President.

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    Remarkable given the clusterfúck that saw her get the nomination, the fact she is a woman and the fact she had only a 100 odd days to string together a run for the White House against a man who been campaigning for 10 years and can literally get away with saying and doing anything he wants.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,306 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    I'm on the verge of a site ban. Please don't rage bait me, I'm easily triggered especially late at night!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,099 ✭✭✭✭briany


    There are many lessons the Democratic party should take from Trump's victory but it will be resistant to truly learning them and implementing changes if Trump carries on in his second term in the same way as he did in his first, and this will be doubly true if Trump allows the advisors around him to run as hogwild on US law and governmental makeup as political commentators have feared.

    In this case the Democrats will stand to the side and tut, hoping that the electorate will be driven back into their arms in the way a person might wait for their ex to return after being cheated on by their bad boy lover.

    This is mainly in reference to the Democratic party establishment. Those on the left of the party, like Sanders, have been calling out this kind of mindset and just further cements the notion that real change within the party won't come from the top of the party but a radical candidate going directly to their base and sidestepping the party apparatus, much as Trump did with the Republicans on 2016.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,675 ✭✭✭forumdedum




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,842 ✭✭✭✭martingriff




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,099 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I don't see the voter base getting excited about anyone else but Trump. Whether by accident or design, Trump has placed himself at the exact centre of his movement.

    It is a hallmark of MAGA that to be any kind of mover and shaker within it, you have to above all demonstrate loyalty to himself. Maybe subordination would be a better word. That's the wellspring of legitimacy within that world, but it comes with an inbuilt glass ceiling. You'll never be able to claim the top spot after positioning yourself as a toadie. As I've said before, if Trump goes, the best bet for a replacement would be to stand at a podium with two huge floor to ceiling banners emblazoned with an airbrushed rendition of Trump's face on either side of them.

    Anyway, this could all be a ways off. Despite numerous predictions of Trump having some sort of coronary event so severe that he explodes in a bloody mess of half-digested Big Macs and Diet Coke, it would no longer surprise me if he lived to 110 just to spite medical science.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,842 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    You know he can't run for a 3rd term dye to the 22nd amendment. And while the US Supreme court helped in a couple cases like that stupid immunity case. I do not see them ripping that up



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,530 ✭✭✭Guffy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,842 ✭✭✭✭martingriff




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,530 ✭✭✭Guffy


    Not if he tells Musk to do it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,096 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    @engineerws, trump is now president-elect and has talked to Netanyahu already yet nothing has changed and Israel see this as their best case scenario, any comment on your support for genocide in palestine?

    Trump and Netanyahu, newly empowered, to reunite; Israel risks overplaying its hand | The Times of Israel



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,862 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump


    Take a look at the gains in Il and NY, Dems can no longer take the minority vote for granted, big wake up call.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,862 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump


    Looks like the blame game has begun, Pelosi blaming Biden for the loss.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,895 ✭✭✭Wolf359f




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,862 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump


    For not dropping out sooner, main headline on the bbc now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,895 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    So why didn't she come out and ask him to? If I remember, it was only when George Clooney voiced his concern that it seemed to be picked up and focused on? Some other democrats stated before the initial primaries that Biden should not seek a second term…. her name was not on that list.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,315 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    Yes, seen a bit of that too.

    The best retort to it though was this:

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,733 ✭✭✭Zardoz


    She is some piece of work now saying Biden should have dropped out earlier so they could have had primaries to select a different candidate.

    Here is what she said at the end of June

    "There’s nothing as well, as just as Joe Biden getting up and taking the ball over the finish line. Something else could be chaotic," 

    But understand this, this is really important for people to understand. Joe Biden has won the nomination. He has won the nomination"

    Kind of hard for her to revise history at this point when Biden was “sharp as a tack” in July.

    Why doesn't she take some of her own advice and retire.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,895 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Early voting (mail and in person) was down on 2020 ffs. A pandemic year where mail in voting was much more popular and less restrictive etc…

    There's the other possibility that those people in the long long queues…. voted for Trump more than Harris!

    People make the mistake of comparing it to 2020 when that was not a normal election year because of the pandemic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,128 ✭✭✭Dick phelan


    The Democrats really need to move on from the Obama's, Pelosi, Schumers of the world. If they really want to win be an actual left wing party economically. Enough with the donors and celebrities.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,306 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Democrats who weren't anti COVID/vaccine were probably more likely to stay at home and mail in too. I wonder was the increased participation due to the fact people were bored shitless at home with nothing better to do and no other distractions.

    I'm on the verge of a site ban. Please don't rage bait me, I'm easily triggered especially late at night!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,895 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    We were all excited getting stuff posted out to us/deliveries etc… it was something to break the lockdown boredom! The fact some states allowed or had less restrictions on mail in voting also meant more could post their ballot in. My point is, don't compare 2024 turnout with 2020.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 436 ✭✭bewareofthedog


    Two Jewish American citizens were involved in the Iranian plot to assassinate Trump. Instigator named.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 836 ✭✭✭PixelCrafter


    Parties tend to keep a united front at senior level even if there’s all sorts of fighting going on behind the scenes, which there likely was.

    The whole thing has been mishandled by the senior democrats for quite a while at this stage. They’re collectively to blame for hobbling Harris by not having a strategy until they panicked when they suddenly realised that an 81 year old was elderly and rushed to get her into place.

    She never had time to build momentum and realistically they should have been giving her much more profile over the last couple of years, with Biden giving her space.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,315 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    True that. Nothing says like 'We're on the ordinary man and woman's side' like organising a semi-concert on the campaign trail and surrounding yourself with millionaire/billionaire celebs from Hollywood and the music industry telling the plebs 'how they should vote'. But something tells me that lesson won't be learned in four years time either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    And so it begins: Jared Moskowitz (D-FL) avoids assassination attempt at his residence.

    Republicans are looking to ensure they control the House in January, come hell or high water. Control of the House has not been determined yet.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,862 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump


    Any comment's on the Afghani who plotted to kill Trump? all over the news right now.



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