Someone mentioned that they've noticed no more bottles and cans on the ground. Everyone ive seen going around the town picking up discarded bottles and cans is the the sort of person who has spent all their dole on drink or drugs or the bookies and is now flat broke until the next dole day, Basically What I'm saying is that, broke long-term unemployed addicts picking up pieces of trash for the sake of 15cent is nothing to be proud about .
I will pick up bottles and cans from the street and bushes. Why would you think only "broke long-term addicts" do that? ..…and why would you have a problem with that anyway?
That's a awful comment. I see plenty who dont fit that description picking up items. And many groups doing it now too. I see a local secondary school doing it here as a ty project to raise money for school equipment. I do it myself the odd time too when out with the buggy.
Today was the 1st day the scheme annoyed me but it's more the retailer. 1st time using a local dunnes to return items and machine was v fussy rejecting loads of items. Didn't have the same problem previously using machines at either Tesco and Lidl. Will probably avoid using the Dunnes one again
Me too 😊
I've redeemed quite a few deposits on cans and bottles I picked up.
If anything I'd say the people who litter their drinks containers have little to be proud about.
It's absolutely the reality in the overwhelming majority of situations. Who do you think was so desperate to empty out public trash bins searching for bottles? Haven't you heard that councils have had to add bottle racks to bins hoping to stop that.
You started out complaining about people picking up litter.
Now you have moved on to people who actually litter.
There is a difference.
And we launhed our scheme, that apparantly learned from other shemes 7 years later than 2015 and didnt think at the time that this was worth pursuing? You do see the issue - right?
Bigger issue, again, is that nothing was ever done to enhance the "older" much more straightforward scheme like this - instead it was replaced with less environmentally friendly scheme that wasn't actually thought through at all……….
On the comment about schools. I am on the parents council of a secondary school and a running agenda item is how to raise funds to support the school (the other fixture item is how to spend said funds).
Anyhow, I suggested the installation of a few 'Parents Council' secure bins in the cafeteria area, as I had seen that most kids are not be arsed bringing home bottles / just throw them in regular bins.
I had prepared myself to outline how a rota could be drawn up for emptying these and how cash could be given to the treasurer etc when the chairman politely closed the idea down. Later he told me that the cleaners would be very upset if we took that money from them.
Now consider how tips evolved from an occasional, nothing-to-declare source of income for lowest paid staff. Today tips are declared income, taxable and subject to dispute / regulation, so much so a business now must have a policy and advise where tips go (the company, the employees shared, or the server),
In due course 'casual' earnings from DRS will surely go under a similar spotlight.
The overwhelming majority of ppl picking up cans and bottles are "broke long-therm addicts"?? 🤣🤣🤣
Wrong thread ! doh!!
Wrong thread cawlur 😊
it is, everyone in the chain is paying the deposit. you, shop, wholesale, producer. not sure when return are getting this though, when something is manufactured/imported or just when bought by shops
producers are also paying some fee for having products on the market.
NI supermarkets sell Lucozade and Miwadi with the Ɍ on
And, as said earlier in the thread, you can get the deposit amount back here. My relatives keep them for me.
We need an updating list somewhere of NI products that have the Ɍ logo
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If everyone in the supply chain is going by the rules, then it is allowed and they will be paying for it. But the shopper outside of Ireland does not have to pay a deposit. That's how I read it.
https://re-turn.ie/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/Webinar-on-International-Barcodes-09.11.2023.pdf
https://re-turn.ie/wp-content/uploads/International-Barcodes-Cross-Border-Challenges-FINAL.pdf
"International (shared) Barcode. This is defined as a barcode that is used in ROI along with another jurisdiction. This barcode will be registered for DRS with Re-turn and may be subject to surcharges in addition to material specific producer fees due to the additional fraud risk associated with their usage."
We could also do with a list of the shops which are supposed to be selling non logo stock in this country. I have seen claims on the thread alleging that.
Because they were never even considered and,
"The idea is to pay it forward by passing on your deposit to someone who might need it more than you."
is only PR spin on pure desperation by councils who found themselves saddled with problem of night raiders - so called "unwell" members of society who go around every street bin with screwdriver prying them open. Then they promptly dump content on the ground while they search for the gold. 9 out of 10 don't bother putting rubbish back and close them back again. And why would they bother as council workers have to clean it up in the morning anyway.
Bin surrounds are not any positive move forward but a reaction to a problem caused by introduction of DRS.
Good point. When something is inconveniencing the Council they dont have to wait for the "1 year review of the scheme" as we all keep getting told on here any time an obvious issue with Re-Turn is brought up. Airport, housebound customers or anyone who wants the option of IBAN deposit refund can get fecked.
Yes good idea, have started one in the NIRL Bargain Alerts thread, a nice subsidy to recover petrol costs for a trip 😁
The "unwell" are active around our roads, mountains and beaches. A spot along a road I cycle is usually populated by tyres and matresses. But yesterday it was a 1,000 litre plastic oil tank. I don't think the Mafias who are in the Dodgy Box game and other assorted scams will get involved in DRS fraud. But they are well into dirty goings on in general waste.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001hf1w
From a deathbed tape to a witness in protection, Buried is the award-winning true-crime series digging into some of the most disturbing environmental stories in history. Buried is a bingeable, fast-paced true-crime series exposing urgent environmental stories you've almost certainly never heard of. Husband-and-wife investigative duo Dan Ashby and Lucy Taylor delve into thrilling mysteries - bringing to light never-before-heard recordings or boxes of explosive legal documents, inviting the audience to unpick crimes or scandals with them.Their stories throw them - and us - into secret worlds, be it the organised crime unfolding in our waste, or trails of toxic chemicals that go right to our plates.
In a bonus episode of their award-winning first investigation into illegal dumping in Northern Ireland, Dan and Lucy follow secret waste trackers to uncover the truth about councils' recycling. The devices lead them to startling revelations about the scale of problems in recycling. Worse still, a police file reveals suspicions that waste criminals flourished thanks to corruption.The bonus episode, Recycling Corrupted, is available on BBC Sounds from Sunday, 3 November, 2024."
An example from Scotland / Westminster on how not to organise DRS.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5yrgzvgld5o
Seen on Twitter...
The man in front of me in SuperValu handed in his receipts for the Deposit Return Scheme…€169.50
The staff were taking pictures and all
https://x.com/ShaneBeattyNews/status/1853843356780019887
If it was a single receipt he would be a prize idiot. Receipts means it could be months of returns.
True. Another posssibility - it could be one load he broke up into several batches / receipts.
If one load, I hope shop had multiple RVMs.
😐️ 🤨
What a horrible description of the volunteers from Tidy Towns and from Canal and Beach clean-ups.
https://www.irishtimes.com/environment/2024/10/14/deposit-return-scheme-leads-to-massive-reduction-in-plastic-bottles-and-drinks-containers-found-on-shores-by-coastwatch/
"The annual Coastwatch autumn survey has found “a massive reduction” in plastic bottles, aluminium cans and steel tins washing up on Irish shorelines following the introduction of a deposit return scheme earlier this year."
Quite clear that the scheme is working as intended.
If you had a 21st party or wedding party in a marque at the house, easily could be that amount of cans left over
Or they could be from a pub or restaurant.
Or they could have kept every receipt from day 1 and used them towards a big shop or special event. I know people keeping them like a savings club.
That's a risky strategy given the cheapo thermal paper a lot of them are on… I hope nobody loses out by it.
