Reported missing on 30th August after not being seen for 2 days. He’s 8 years old. Why would you leave it 2 days before reporting it?
https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2024/1016/1475727-drogheda-investigation/
Mod - Move on from the statutory rape comments please, it's not relevant
I do.
Then maybe the boards resident expert would not refer to that when people talk about the CASE management system. The incident and case management systems are completely different beasts
TCM Vs NIMS
Yes, the Case Management System is NOT the NIMS system.
The CMS system is the main electronic file in Tusla, who have gone "paperless" in recent years. This is where all the info on individual children or familes is kept.
The NIMS system is a claims administration system that is used by many public bodies, including Tusla, to handle complaints that likely will go legal and is linked to the State Claims Agency. Tusla DOES NOT use this as its main filing system.
i believe they have many many many problems …
And what judge would send a child full time to live with a parent he hadn’t seen for two years?
A good one.
How did it work out leaving him with the parent he had been living with all along?
Yup and the precursor to TCM was NCCIS which was hosted by the HSE
The last 20 posts about Tusla's/HSE's various systems has given me a better understanding of how Tusla can miss someone like Kyran. An awful lot of attention to processes, systems, procedures, protocols.
Tusla have broken away from the HSE hosted systems. It was always planned but everything sped up because of the HSE hack.
Cms is nims. Just saying.
Yes and no.
Its not. If you ask Tusla they'll tell you that tbey are independent and unconnected. Only a small number of Tusla employees have access to NIMS i.e. those in the legal/complaints area.
No it's not.
Tusla have the TCM System (Tusla Case Management System), hint is in the name.
Nims is National Incident Management System, again hint is in the name
https://www2.healthservice.hse.ie/organisation/qps-incident-management/nims/
https://stateclaims.ie/services/risk-management/about-nims
Im well aware
Maybe we're getting conflicted here.
No need to be smarmy. Cms is part of nims. I know. Internal systems I've no idea.
I know nims very well.
It isn't just a claims Management System.
Incorrect as well. I'm not going to do your homework for you.
Tusla are part of the government network. Same as the ags, ips, opw, hse…
Government Networks is used for communications between sites, it is not used to function any Tusla systems. They have their own network and domain.
At the time of this case they were hosted on the HSE healthirl domain. All servers were on HSE hosts, PCs were HSE machines, and they used NCCIS.
These days (and expediated by the HSE hack) Tusla have a dedicated, isolated, and wholly independent case management system. They have their own cloud and physical infrastructure with full redundancy to separate locations
NIMS is not used as case management system by Tusla, at all.
Sorry, is there any other indication at all that any IT breach had any bearing on the outcome of the case?
Potentially given lost information but probably not .
Even so: there's enough wrong with Tusla resourcing without spreading misinformation
The details coming out, just shocking how much lies were told and believed
New and confusing details about the last known sightings of missing boy Kyran Durnin have emerged, including an alleged six-week hospital stay in late May and June of 2022.Gardaí investigating the murder of the missing child are working to establish a timeline of the boy’s last official sightings. The team is now focusing on a ‘critical’ six-week period during which Kryan was allegedly receiving hospital treatment for Covid-19, the Sunday Independent reports.According to the paper, Kyran’s mother, Dayla Durnin, 24, contacted her son’s primary school in Dundalk, Co. Louth, in May 2022 and said her six year old son would be absent as he had Covid-19 and was in hospital. She did not say when he would be back.
New and confusing details about the last known sightings of missing boy Kyran Durnin have emerged, including an alleged six-week hospital stay in late May and June of 2022.
Gardaí investigating the murder of the missing child are working to establish a timeline of the boy’s last official sightings. The team is now focusing on a ‘critical’ six-week period during which Kryan was allegedly receiving hospital treatment for Covid-19, the Sunday Independent reports.
According to the paper, Kyran’s mother, Dayla Durnin, 24, contacted her son’s primary school in Dundalk, Co. Louth, in May 2022 and said her six year old son would be absent as he had Covid-19 and was in hospital. She did not say when he would be back.
and the rest of the article https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/crime/school-was-told-missing-pupil-kyran-durnin-was-in-hospital-with-covid-19/a539085208.html
“The mother contacted the school at the end of May to say Kyran was sick with Covid-19 and as of yet gardaí have no records to confirm that he was in hospital at the end of May,” a source said.According to the register at his primary school, Kyran did return to school and is recorded as attending right up until the last day of term in June 2022, the source said.
“The mother contacted the school at the end of May to say Kyran was sick with Covid-19 and as of yet gardaí have no records to confirm that he was in hospital at the end of May,” a source said.
According to the register at his primary school, Kyran did return to school and is recorded as attending right up until the last day of term in June 2022, the source said.
odd that they cant find anyone to corroborate this
Detectives looked for eyewitnesses to corroborate the information of the child being alive and present in class in June as recorded in the register.In a further complicating development, it is understood that as of last week, detectives were unable to find a witness who can definitively place the child there.“Kyran could have been attending school for the last few weeks of term, but that has not been established yet,” the source said.
Detectives looked for eyewitnesses to corroborate the information of the child being alive and present in class in June as recorded in the register.
In a further complicating development, it is understood that as of last week, detectives were unable to find a witness who can definitively place the child there.
“Kyran could have been attending school for the last few weeks of term, but that has not been established yet,” the source said.
They should ask the mother. She might know.
Is a sick note, medical cert to be provided if out longer than 2 or 3 days to the school?
I don’t think so. My youngest has asthma, so has been absent for up to 5 straight days before, and we never had to provide proof of illness.
In saying that, he hasn’t been absent enough to be reported to tusla and thus, warranted a follow up visit, so I’m not sure what you would have to produce in those circumstances.
I don't believe so. I believe 20 days in a school year without mitigation needs to be reported by the school.
Covid sounds understandable in certain cases, but the story seems to change by the hour.
The guards are building their case.
You never have to provide a sick cert to the school, under any circumstances, for any length of absence.
The only action a school can take is to send you a notification when your child has reached 10 days absent in a school year, and then notify Tusla after 20 days absence.
The basic assumption is that the parents are the primary decision makers for the child's welfare and education (this is protected by the Constitution); the system simply isn't designed to account for this level of alleged deception and malevolence, nor should it be.
I think the Tusla public statements are deflection.
Tusla has admitted that the kid had been a client of their social work services. Under Tusla internal procedures, this relationship cannot be terminated without a case conference where multiple professionals sign off that the child no longer needs to be a client.
So one of the following happened:
1. Coincidently, at the time of dissappearance, Tusla concluded that everything was good and there were no issues/risks to the child - which raises a lot of questions re Tuslas competency given what has happened.
Or
2. The Tusla team who were assigned the case, and who would be obliged to meet the child regularly simply did not do their job and never told anyone that they werent seeing the child.
As for Tusla's statements about not receiving any child welfare reports over the past 2 years - totally disengenuous of them to say this. Its impossible for a mandated person to wtness abuse/concerns if the child is deceased/missing
That’s fair enough for the default case.
For a child who is already involved with Tusla, though, that is not a safe assumption. At the very least the school should have reported the lengthy absence to Tusla.
I can’t get my head around the depravity of how any person(s) could discard of a small child like this. Bad enough the child being killed, but to then be so callous as to discard and deceive..
I can't get my head around any murder.
The word depraved you used is accurate.
We don't really know anything of factual context yet, but reading between the lines…well…
There'll be arrests soon enough, but I'd prefer the authorities wait and gather evidence.
Not that my opinion means a jot!
Whoever is in charge of this at Tusla would want to take a good, long hard look at themselves.
There is a child missing here, instead of throwing shade they should be doing everything to get to the bottom of this.
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