Reported missing on 30th August after not being seen for 2 days. He’s 8 years old. Why would you leave it 2 days before reporting it?
https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2024/1016/1475727-drogheda-investigation/
Mod - Move on from the statutory rape comments please, it's not relevant
Whatever about the value of torture in organised crime or terrorism, where people have preplanned their actions carefully, and are trained to resist interrogation, it would likely be unnecessary in a case like this. It should be fairly easy for trained detectives to trip up the different protagonists by questioning them separately. That would take a bit more patience but it would be a lot more reliable than information obtained by torture.
People say pretty dumb stuff about mental illness. As if it's a made-up thing. So if a person, male or female, who committed an horrendous crime is found to be mentally ill via psychiatric assessment, you just want that disregarded? Like it or not, severe mental illness can lead to extreme violence, and there's nothing wrong with people speculating that that might be the reason. It's said about men too - it was said about Alan Hawe, and I agreed that it could have been the case for him. People were very stupid and immature with shouting people down for considering that, as if people were defending Hawe, simply because of suggesting that he might have had a mental break.
You'd swear people here were saying "ah God love her, she's mentally ill - let her off". People are only saying she might be - it's a possibility. And if she is? She still has to face justice. Mental illness doesn't get people off the hook.
And yes, maybe she isn't mentally ill - just a horrendous degenerate. Some women can be that.
But there is nothing wrong with simply speculating that it might be due to severe mental illness - or it might not.
Well exactly. I’ve asked for a link about the father as I haven’t seen anything either and got a mouthful of abuse in response.
This is a shocking story. What has really stuck with me is the part of the story where another child was brought in to an appointment, to play the part of the missing child.
I've luckily never been involved with TUSLA but can only surmise that anyone working there expects everyone involved with child care is acting with the childrens' best interests at heart and has good intentions at least. We all know there are many awful cases where parents are incapable of looking after children due to their own challenges, whatever they may be.
But to assume from the beginning that a parent or grandparent would deliberately bring a fake child to an appointment because they have murdered their own child… Even in hindsight I have trouble believing this happened, I can fully understand why this wasn't considered or suspected originally in this case.
You have formed an opinion of him though.
Well, all I’ve seen about him is that he got an underage girl pregnant and disappeared from the resulting child’s life for the following 8 years. That’s not great TBF. My view of him is not stronger than that and is susceptible to change as further information becomes available.
Some posters on here have said that he has been granted custody but haven’t provided any links to that despite requests. When they do, I’ll be happy to read them and form a fuller opinion of the father’s character accordingly.
Mod Edit: Warning applied for ignoring mod instruction to drop the underage angle. Three day forum ban also applied
The poor child didnt have a hope with her as a mother. Really lost out on the father not being given access sooner.
Not necessarily because they have murdered the child but certainly because the child might have bruises or signs of neglect that the carer wishes to hide. It’s not uncommon for one child in a family to be the scapegoat, so another child being seen to be unharmed doesn’t prove much.
Once a child or a family has come to the attention of Tusla, it seems shockingly naive of social workers to assume that all is well - by definition they need to check up on what they’re being told. That’s what they’re paid for.
And knowing the identity of the child that’s in front of them is surely the absolute basics?
What age was he?
Didn’t the articles you read about his struggle to get custody give his age?
Google.com is an interesting search engine to find out stuff.
I'm not here to hold people's sexist hands.
I'll remind people that this mod warning was posted in the thread previously - let's not go down this angle again please. I'm also going to add it to the OP so there's no excuse for missing it.
How did you jump to the conclusion that the father disappeared from the child’s life for 8 years?
mother of god, it just gets worse.. reports now that crucial information was “lost” in the HSE cyber attack. https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/crime/tusla-data-on-missing-boy-kyran-durnin-was-lost-in-cyber-attack-on-hse/a1875127227.html
How the hell can they get away with this level of incompetence? Staff shortages don’t excuse this level of failure.
some insane ghouls tryna shoehorn their agenda into it repeatedly for days.
Need to look in the mirror and cop on.
Backups were also hit by the attack.
Also, at the time, Tusla related systems were hosted on the HSE platform and vulnerable there, only.
Tusla, themselves, were not breached in that attack
Who are you talking about?
i would imagine it is the posters who have been warned multiple times each in relation to the most recent notes from the mods.
Thanks. I really dislike this nonsense of a vague blanket statement instead of just spitting out what they're bleedin' talking about! 😊
This is an excuse. Tusla has a new case management system only a couple of years old that has no connection with the HSE. Also backed up regularly with backups kept off line.
Backups were not if kept on tape.
Government public ip address range. Available if you want to search.
I was very aware of the cyber attack.
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not after you............😂😂
During the cyber attack it reverted to paper based. I'm not guessing. Stuff can be missed. Not good enough though
In fairness I've posted too little to this thread to think it was me. 😊
Only that;
1. The cyber attack was in 2021 - so predates the past 2 years.
2. Tusla is not part of the HSE.
3. Tusla has its own new case management system that has nothing to do with the HSE.
The cyber attack is just spin to deflect. My guess is Tusla has a full set of files.....but dont want a reviewer to know the truth.
Tusla have already said Kyran's case file is intact and wasn't among the data that was lost.
Incorrect.
Tusla use the same incident/case management system as the hse. And yes I know.
Carry on though. I work on it on daily basis.
Which came online well after the HSE hack, so depends on when the records in question are dated to
Do you?
Because they don't but they did use NCCIS at the time
I presume they are talking about the NIMS system.
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