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Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,093 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    “That is all very noisy data TBH.”


    Fair enough - I still think there’s something there though but as you say maybe too early to call it. I wasn’t claiming a “definitive” - only an “indicative”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,097 ✭✭✭✭briany


    We have to be fair and remember that, for these kinds of segments, they'll keep rolling until they have enough funny material to fill two minutes. It cannot be taken as a representative sample of the US electorate.

    I don't know if it's gone that far, but it wouldn't surprise me that if Trump were caught all ends up with evidence of having diddled young girls on Epstein's island, you would get talking heads trying out talking points about how rock stars have done the same thing and that the age of consent is really just an arbitrary number etc. No end of twisting of moral standards and perception of reality to accommodate little Donald.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭CliffHangeroner


    Musk isn't running for president.

    You sound like the right wing lads going on about Hunter Biden.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,700 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Musk is in line for a job in Trump's administration. The situation is completely different.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Trump has claimed that he will be giving Musk a government position if elected.

    Musk has been giving huge donations to Trump and has a attempted a possibly illegal scheme to buy people's votes.

    Do you believe that Trump should give Musk a government position?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭TinyMuffin


    I’m gonna predict a Harris victory. 🫡

    Some of trumps base will have died in shooting accidents and such since last time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,729 ✭✭✭Economics101


    The Trump-Musk axis of corruption could (if heaven forbid he wins) be the worst in all history.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,054 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Fresh information.

    Dems aim was 1 million voters in. This is significantly more.

    Democrats are not voting Republican.

    Some Republicans have to be voting Democrats?

    Most Independents voting Democrats I'd say too.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭CliffHangeroner


    "Trump has claimed"

    Exactly. He lies about everything right, that's what everyone keeps saying 🤔



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,097 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Democrats are not voting Republican.

    I imagine that registered Democrats skew massively toward voting for that party, yes.

    Some Republicans have to be voting Democrats?

    Has to be a non-zero number, but do we have any way of knowing how many 'some' really is?

    Most Independents voting Democrats I'd say too.

    What's your basis for saying this? I mean, I would say that any objective voter would see Trump for the utter charlatan that he is, yet he's still apparently within a coin toss of winning the election, so registered independents must be declaring for him somewhere. That is if the polls are not hugely overestimating his support, which could also be the case, but we're really not going to know that until some time after November 5th.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,054 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    How distinctly unpalatable he is, given all that he is and has done. Now, if they aren't aware of this because of the media bubble they are in, that's them ruled out.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,239 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Name a Trump policy.

    This is maybe the 100th time I have asked this of Trump supporters, I am yet to get an answer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,097 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I find him unpalatable and I assume you do, too, but one big question is what independents in PA think. As said, if American voters found Trump as unpalatable as most in the country do, it wouldn't even be a contest, but this is obviously not the case.

    The replies below this Twitter thread are interesting talking about the 'firewall' the Democrats need in order to be in with a good chance on the day. This is to do with the idea of needing a certain buffer of a lead in order to counteract the typical Republican surge of in-person ballots on election day, I take it.



  • Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ok. So he was lying when he claimed that he was going to give Musk a position.

    Why would he lie about that?

    Did Musk not know he was being lied to?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,699 ✭✭✭thecretinhop


    Rcp normally good. I feel the debate honeymoon period was her blue going up and imo terrible performances by her and strong performances by Trump going back to butler Mc D etc

    Screenshot_20241025_181605_Chrome.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,895 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Screenshot_20241025-181325.png

    That's the CNN exit poll from 2020.

    5% of Democrats voted Republican and 6% of Republicans voted for a Democrat and also the breakdown of where the independents vote went.

    One would think those figures would separate more this year (less Democrats voting for trump and more Republicans voting for Harris), but nothing surprises me with American politics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,101 ✭✭✭accensi0n




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,680 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    But he's a leader! And, as GWB said, “I have a different vision of leadership. A leadership is someone who brings people together.” Lead! Lead!



  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    One of the defining qualities of Fascistic movements is that they entrance the most stupid first and these become a powerful and easily manipulated base.

    MAGA is classic fascist.



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  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Realclearpolling is a GOP hack site. Not at all worth considering.

    If it impresses you then I can safely ignore it.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 5,611 Mod ✭✭✭✭Rawr


    Is that from early voting in PA?

    (I really need to look up a list of early voting states)



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 31,655 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    No fan of Joe Rogan, but the whole circus around appearing on his podcast seems to have turned into an own goal for the Dems.

    AFAIK he was going to have neither of them on because he didn’t want to sway the election (how much sway he’d actually have is very much up for debate, but still). Indeed, he’s turned down the opportunity to interview Trump in the past.

    Harris reportedly expressed interest in appearing, which seemed to actually open up conversations about it happening.

    Then Trump scheduled in an interview.

    Now the Harris campaign says she won’t appear because scheduling won’t work? Meaning Trump is the only one going on Rogan pre-election, unless the Harris campaign is wrongfooting us.

    Again, put aside takes on Rogan. And there’s a possibility Trump will make a total ass of himself (he has a record). But assuming it’s a fairly standard, casual interview… the whole thing seems like an own goal from the Dems and Harris campaign, giving Trump placement on the Rogan feed when that mightn’t have happened had they not opened up the conversations in the first place. If anything, a more laid back, conversational style of interview is where Harris does better than more combative ones, so I think it would’ve been a fairly easy win for her - now handed to Trump. Rogan’s audience is massive - many of those will be the ones Harris needs to be talking to and persuading.

    A maddening political party.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,699 ✭✭✭thecretinhop


    Nate silver says trump will win he thinks now



  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,809 ✭✭✭hometruths


    Nate Silver thought Hillary Clinton's chances of winning in 2016 were about 95%.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,097 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Doing Rogan would only help her chances. I agree that it's completely stupid not to do it. It may mean an hour less sleep out of the four or five that she may only get anyway, but no-one said the campaign trail wasn't a slog. A bad misstep.

    I see she went on Stern, but Stern is completely deferential to Democrats these days. People will have listened to that, but it's not going to be as natural a conversation as Rogan because of some of the stupid or ill-informed things Rogan can blurt out.

    It's what I've been saying for a little while now - I don't think Trump cancelling some more mainstream interviews is that damaging when he is appearing on these podcasts with a large younger male demographic. This is what his campaign seem to be going for. The big risk for the Trump campaign, though, is whether they actually turn up to vote.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 31,655 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    It’s the kind of thing you change schedules for IMO. It’d be a much more tactical move for her than appearing with Liz Cheney at a rally. As you say, I don’t think there’s many downsides or risks to her appearing on Rogan as far as these things go. Can’t see this as anything other than a fairly bizarre and avoidable strategic blunder.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭CliffHangeroner


    Looking forward to Trump on the Rogan show. Exciting now into the last few days of this with it all to play for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,093 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    “The big risk for the Trump campaign, though, is whether they actually turn up to vote.”


    It’s a risk for Harris too in fairness when it comes to the ethnic vote which may become significant factor -I’m not entirely sure that’s as cohesive and leaning towards democrat as it once was - I don’t think the war is helping either.

    I’m predicting record numbers voting for some of the other independent candidates - if what some posters say is true, there’s a significant % still undecided - why the hell would they vote for either Harris or Trump? I mean Shirley they know enough about both at this stage?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,093 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    What do you think he will do or say on that show?



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