mikel97 wrote: » Its N2731G (prob CIA) yes Shannon
I see the plane is outbound now at least.
Yeah that's how I knew there was no way we were leaving on time. But still forced to turn up at the airport what will be 9 hours before the flight because they didn't update / and even when they did at first it was to still tell everyone to go to airport on time.
I can live with delays, totally understand weather playing havoc, and the massive job it was / is to deal with it all. I just don't think it's too much of an ask to be given accurate information.
As a further example, ground staff here have now said they won't be sourcing accommodation etc because they don't think the 5:45 departure is accurate :D
Sources like Flight Radar are very handy when you're delayed. The likes of Ryanair will drip feed you information, but at least you can see where the aircraft that you're waiting for is. So when they do their usual carry on of not letting you know how long you'll be waiting, you will have a good idea by looking up the previous aircraft movement.
Can you imagine the difficulties for the airlines' ops people, with lots of aircraft diverted elsewhere and a constantly evolving situation right across their network? If there was zero communication it would be worse. It's a risk that we all take when booking a trip - that a major weather event will occur and plans will be thrown into disarray. It's something that airlines can do very little about and, from monitoring the activity at Dublin during the day, I think the aircrew and ATC worked very well and tried their best to get people safely to their destinations. However the winds remained adverse for most of the day and I believe there were more than 50 go-arounds, most of which involved flights then diverting elsewhere.
A little bit of accurate communication would go a long way though. I expected a delay today after seeing everything that went on and tracking planes during the day.
We had to go to airport to check in though on time because the app and departures info were still showing as being on time. Even though it seemed very clear that there was no plane on the way here for us.
Scheduled for 22:00 departure.
Email and push notification at 20:05 delaying to 23:30
Email and push notification at 20:22 updating delay to 02:50
Both emails said if you had bags it would close at normal time so you had to still attend airport on time.
Email and push notification at 22:14 to update delay to 05:45
Push notification then to say they were looking for a hotel and transport and would update.
Half hour later a push notification to update to 3:30am.
5 minutes later another notification back to 5:45am.
Heading for midnight now and in a queue for the €4 voucher and nobody here any wiser as to if accommodation is being sourced or not.
Acknowledging that it's not a given that inbound plane equals outbound plane, and things changing operationally but the outbound flight still hasnt left Dublin yet so I don't believe there was ever any chance of the two earlier times - nor do I believe there will be any accommodation or transport provided. :D
I'm really not looking forward to the absolute nightmare tabloid articles and facebook posts about the "horrendous" treatment by the various airlines today. Its inevitable.
LX410 is returning to Geneva after two go arounds at Dublin.
Its a direct crosswind at Cork, and quite strong too.
The Ryanair flights still can't manage to get down at Cork.
Thanks very much for that. Makes sense now.
Generally aircraft are limited by the crosswind component, so the likes of Dublin with RWY 28 (facing 280°) will fare worse than Shannon with RWY24 (facing 240°) in this wind from the southwest.
Thank you very much for that.
yes, wind direction is much more favourable for Shannon’s runway than any at Dublin. ↗️ is the direction of the wind and suits landing on 24 over 28 or 16.
Does the wind / runway direction impact landings? There’s only been one missed approach in Shannon today and it’s accepted diversions from Dublin and Cork. Operations have been normal despite weather conditions. Only flight delays. The winds have been high.
Manx2 Cork springs to mind
I think the "two approaches only" rule, though not always absolute, has its origins in cases where crews made mutiple attempts to land and it all ended badly.
landed in Luton
Strange one for EI but needs must
Generally two approaches then you go unless the situation has considerably improved. Issue seems to be many alternate airports are legal on paper but in reality cannot cope with and therefore accept diversions as they are just full.
I'm very far from an expert in this, but I think the general rule is 3 attempts and then you must divert. Most planes seem to do two because you just know really that a third is a waste of time.
looks like they are diverting now anyway. Don’t FR have a policy of max 2 attempts?
Oh I'd say they'd take lots of excess on a day like today. Plenty enough for getting there, holding, diversion, holding there, diversion to second option, plus an excess AND emergency fuel.
FR537 EMA can’t be fuelled for much more I’d imagine
EI545 from Nice unable to land in Dublin, then went to Shannon, where it also failed to land. It came back to Dublin, but now is heading towards the UK.
yes, check flight radar and you’ll see real time
Are there any flights taking off from Dublin at the moment? Airport website just has a sea of cancelled, delayed and boarding for hours. Nothing showing departing.
The airport is open and some aircraft have landed in the last while. No "plug to be pulled".
oh dear! Long day for them pax
Another go around. Last chance saloon!
EI763 to BHX.
Hmmm 4 go arounds in succession. Could pull the plug if this continues
Make that 5
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