It seems like a Jewish right wing are determined to start a Middle East war and WWIII . Israel is the equivalent of a Fascist state and it’s time to call them out as such .
All you've done is submit screeds and have refused to answer a straightforward question in a straightforward manner.
The question is a yes or no one.
Do you agree with the statement that Israel is the only nation that is wiping a people and their land off the map?
The closest you've gotten to actually answering that question is with "Israel settles more and more land illegally from the Palestinian people." which is one line in a long winded non-reply that included lots of obfuscation on matters that you weren't even asked about.
So, we'll all take that as a "yes" shall we?
I've already referred to evidence. As for archeologists . I assume you know them all and have read all their research papers to make that assumption. Nope, thought not.
Sociopaths tend to sleep rather soundly.
Handwringing is not a way forward
I don't think you got my point there...
I presume for you the October attacks killing 1k people was a terrible crime by those terrorists Hamas , but the 30k killed people in gaza aren't the same or worse yes? Because their lives matter less I presume is it? Israeli and palestinean civilian lives aren't comparable and therefore Bibi and the IDF aren't terrorists like Hamas
So, where do you think the Palestinians came from? It is established they are descendants of the same people who have lived there since at least the bronze age. Do you think they come from somewhere else? Some other people?
Why exactly do you prioritise the zionist claim to the Palestinian homeland over the Palestinians themselves? Even if you accept the premise, the Palestinians still have the far stronger claim to their own homeland.
All life has the same worth.
War is not a nice thing, pity that some choose to start them and force others to fight back, not much use complaining that they have been outfought.
It clearly doesnt though, does it? Some give far more weight to the few hundred lives lost on Oct 7th 2023 than to the tens of thousands of lives lost in the 12 months since then. If all lives had the same value, the far more lives lost would have a greater impact than the much smaller amount lost on Oct 7th.
But supporters of israel still bang on about Oct 7th justifying all the crimes the israelis have committed in their killing rage since then. Only way that makes sense is if they consider a few hundred israeli lives to be of greater value than tens of thousands of non-israeli lives.
More weight because they are only muslims. Never denied.
By your logic then bibi and the Israelis are as bad if not worse than Hamas then? They've killed multiple the numbers of innocent that Hamas did. Can you not see that?
Hamas started a war and had to be destroyed as a threat, that has an additional cost, like all wars in civilian lives, due to the technical advantage Israel can keep that low but it is still going to be sizeable.
That's just the unfortunate reality of war and life.
It's not a we balanced out the scale. It is win or lose, that's all.
Hamas had a choice, release the hostages and surrender all it's men and arms or be destroyed by the IDF.
That's the only consideration.
Just a clarification for some posters on this thread......
Sinwar ......
NOT Sinwar ........
this post kind of sums up the pro hamas mindset, Fcuk them just some filty jews right kaiser ?
your eulogising a mass murdering animal and fanatical cultist like he was a hero, He was not a friend of the people of gaza he was a leading part of the gang that kept its boot on them , you were as much a target for him as any jew
If the Israelis wanted peace why did they kill Nasrallah literally just after he agreed to a ceasefire with the Israelis?
So let's get this straight again, if Hamas didn't release the prisoners, they kill multiple the times of innocent people as hamas killed and took prisoners. And that sounds like a good moral strategy to you ? Do you ever think about what you say and believe?
He was technically the political leader of Hamas, not the military leader of the armed wing. Sinwar did the political strategising, Dief along with his deputy was said to be the military mastermind behind the October 7th attacks
The political leaders, whether they are state or non state actors, tend not to be on the battlefield. He was no hero as far as I am concerned .
He is thought to have murdered several people in his lifetime, including a guy who he accused of fraud and of being a homosexual.
The heroes are the people in absolutely deplorable conditions risking their lives to give medical aid and food to others.
Barghouti, who is far more popular than Abbas, accepts a two state solution. He would bring a lot of people with him.
Neither Bibi or Abbas want to see him released for their own reasons.
Yes he has blood on his hands, but as you know former Israeli statesmen, such as Shamir, were terrorists too with blood on their hands before taking up politics. You are able to overlook their past though.
I always find these types of posts a bit of an insight into a poster's mind.
So you're from a Palestinian family, you've been downtrodden your whole life, maybe some of your family members have been killed by the conflict.
You find yourself caught up in events of October the 7th, you're in a Kibbutz in Israel with an AK47 in your hand and an old Jewish lady on the ground pleading with you for her life.
Are you going to riddle her to bits in full auto because of the above?
You find yourself at the Nova festival, with your green HAMAS headband on, same AK47 in your hand. Are you going to start lobbing grenades at helpless Jewish early twenty something party goers?
God forbid, will you be one of the guys pulling down the underwear of some of the Jewish girls?
Because no matter what way you put it, you are saying there are events you could experience in life which would lead you to murdering innocent people.
Can I put myself 100% in the shoes of Gazas? No and I'm not sure many here genuinely could.
Can I stand by the statement that I am fairly confident I won't rape and murder unarmed people because of 'my struggles?' - I'm fairly sure I can answer yes to that question.
You apparently, cannot.
About the same time he converted to Judaism as well.
Hezbollah has been attacking for a year. He could have stopped firing anytime, he choose not to, he and his force must be ended.
What has a moral strategy to do with it.
From a moral point of view and from saving life long term destroying Hamas, Hezbollah and the Mullahs in Iran is the least damaging strategy.
Hamas didn't exist when the war began in 1940s (even earlier some might argue). They are a reaction to israeli aggression, not a justification for it.
israel could use its technical advantage to keep civilian casualties low, but civilian casualties are extremely high, with deliberate attacks on schools, hospitals, refugee camps and humanitarian workers so we must conclude it deliberately chooses to kill those civilians.
And you're conceding the point about the value of human life because you've moved off into some other argument.
It wasnt a mistake , it was a deliberate strategy. It was Likud policy going back to the 80s. Bibi boasted to colleagues that supporting Hamas was the best way to prevent a two state solution. He is the guy that had a mock funeral for Rabin. His mission throughout his career has been to prevent a two state solution as per the Likud Charter.
Fine then. You keep a score if that makes you happy.
Well Hamas ended any support for a 2 state solution last Oct.
So it doesn't really matter what Bibi thinks or does. Those who hate Likud now hate that idea more than he does.
Ffs man. He downplayed the deaths and numbers of the innocents in gaza so I sarcastically said it back to prove a point. Read between the lines. But I suppose you lot aren't capable of critical thinking
All of which is highly debatable too, and none of which has anything to do with your original point, which was, unless I’m very much mistaken, that the only reason people care about the slaughter in Gaza is because it’s “the Jews” doing it. That is disingenuous nonsense.
I'm sorry to say Mr High and Mighty that the "social experiment" in Gaza proves that the vast vast majority of people in there support Hamas or joined Hamas. So had you grown up and lived there you are statically very very likely to have supported it or done it.
What's the excuse for the IDF soldiers murdering raping and torturing tens if thousands ?
come on kaiser at least stand by your comments , Gaza is a better place with out your hero . better for everyone ,
as for why they didnt make peace with him ? he was a rabid dog and a war criminal , you kill people like that thankfully
As fas as I recall, Abbas and the Palestinian Authority were very much in favour of a two state solution and were gaining a lot of ground on the matter 17 years ago. That's why Netanyahu etc started supporting Hamas in Gaza in an effort to stymie the PA and divide the Palestinians, thus eliminating the possibility of a two state solution, which Israel has absolutely no interest in.
In fact, in September 2023, Abbas said that a UN meeting on the matter "may be the last opportunity to salvage the two-state solution and to prevent the situation from deteriorating more seriously and threatening the security and stability of our region and the entire world".
I read online israel intends to attack Iran and bring down the government. This would involve more than firing a few missiles or bombing a few buildings , according to the daily mail UK.they told Biden they don't intend to bomb Iran's oil production facilities
You would think posters would in general against slaughtering innocent civilians. That is one of the many reasons why Hamas are also bad.
It seems the policy of the Israelis is to kill civilians for a few more months and then shrink the remaining inhabitants in a destroyed area into a shrinked down Gaza.
So you agree the October 7th attacks has worked out rather well for those on the Israeli right who never wanted a two state solution in the first place.
We just have to hope in time enough people realise there is no military solution to the issue long term and accept that some sort of accommodation will have to be made with the other side otherwise it's just a perpetual cycle of violence.
We have to hope the likes of Likud and Hamas can be sidelined in order for that to happen in the future.
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