It seems like a Jewish right wing are determined to start a Middle East war and WWIII . Israel is the equivalent of a Fascist state and it’s time to call them out as such .
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Repeating lies over and over again doesn't work on non-gullible people SeanW
Have you forgotten all the posts which have been put up before reminding you of the criticisms of Israel by Kyiv for zionist support of Russia?
https://www.timesofisrael.com/ukraine-accuses-israel-of-pro-russian-stance-in-blistering-statement/
One of the reasons for the strong links between Russia and Israel is not only the strong historical migration between them, but in more recent times, Israel acts as a safe-haven for Russian billionaire oligarchs.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2022/04/28/why-israel-became-a-safe-haven-for-russian-billionaires/
Nobody is defending the actions of Russia and Iran. I don't know if you've noticed but this is a thread about Israel and Palestine. Sure, Iran is backing Hamas and Hezbollah but you can't just equate condemning and questioning IDF actions with somehow tacitly supporting Iran/Russia.
IT MAKES NO SENSE.
I can't speak for other posters or Russia or Ukraine (there's another thread for that).
But you just said a very peculiar thing - I thought Israel was defending itself? Not waging an all out war?
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Some posters, like @mulbot are just straight up cheerleading for the Ayatollahs.
That is despicable. And Iran are large players in both conflicts.
I guess that touched a nerve so.
Apparently Haniyeh wanted to do a deal . Israel decided to kill him though. For once I agree with you though Hamas should pack it in, they can't defeat the Israeli army and Israel can't totally destroy Hamas despite what Bibi may wish- this fig leaf could be acknowledgement of that. Surrendering combatants should be offered guarantees in return that they won't be tortured by the IDF if they do surrender. I know this particular issue greatly concerns you as you have repeatedly cited bt-selem reports about human rights abuses of Palestinians detainees.
your aware of what that man did right ? what sort of a monster he was ?
This is getting old.
Please educate yourself on the history of that region. Jewish settlement of that area dates back thousands of years, and is backed up by archaeological evidence and written (well, enscribed into stone) accounts by various other nations, Egyptian, Persian and Babylonian.
Start here.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Israel
No, Lord God no.
I know there have been things that have been less than ideal or just plain wrong but I back the IDF 100% in what they had to do. Needs must in wars where so much is on the line for all, us included.
I couldn't care less how you feel about that.
Oke Dokey. Back with the strawmen again Mike. Whatever keeps you happy.
It may or may not have been me posting those reports, it sounds like me but i don't recall doing it.
A way forward is something all sides need but the game has irrevocably changed, there is no going back to Oct 6th.
Israel use excessive force. Its like saying sharks are dangerous water is wet .there modus operandi seems to be blow up this building it's full of civilians ,oh well if you maybe kill one member of Hamas it's fine oh if we happen to kill a few journalists not a big deal I don't understand how shooting children with a sniper is a good military tactic .the problem I see is in a years time they,ll still be getting attacked by missiles and drones 2 or 3 people can launch a missile and disappear on a bike from the launch site
Israel is surrounded by enemy's
Iran has an unlimited budget to but missiles and drones and they keep getting more deadly
I know it's in response to injustice but there's an extra dimension of sadism there when you consider what Hamas did on 7th Oct. I'm wary of putting it all down to retaliation - I think there would have been that extra level of sadism there either way. Plus such cynicism when Hamas knew full well how brutally Israel would respond.
There may very well be a "lot on the line" but unlike you, my line is certainly drawn at murdering 20k kids.
That's clearly another thing you couldn't care less about.
Politician level question dodging there. It was a pretty straightforward question from Mike.
How about another one, do you think Sinwar being taken out was a justifiable action given his involvement with the 7th of October attacks?
It doesn't sound like you at all,Danzy:). It didn't all begin on October 7th, but yes the game has changed;
Post the war in Gaza, The Americans need to start putting real pressure on Israel to come to the table, not just pay lip service to the idea.
Listen, I simply commented in an IDF announcement that they had killed 3 terrorists whom they had not identified. At that point in time, they had not identified them. It could not have been taken by any reasonable person to be a specific comment on those killed - because they had not been identified.
Subsequently, one of them has been identified. But that is irrelevant to the original point. I will not engage with stupid strawmen. If you want to try to continue down that vein, I will return in kind.
Aside from this being totally irrelevant to the modern conflict (zionism has no justification), the ironic reality is the Palestinians are almost entirely descended from levantine people who have lived in Palestine since the bronze age. To whatever extent there was some ancient israeli kingdom (which is dubious) the modern Palestinians are their descendants. It is their land, and always has been.
By your logic I have a right to invade and occupy Norway, which is similarly utter rubbish.
ok Sean,
I condemn Iran,
However though I despise Israel
This idea of European Zionists being entitled to a state in the Middle East because there was a Jewish state 2000 years previously is nonsensical garbage. Tell you what, find me a single other country in the world that was created on the basis that someone's ancestors had lived somew here 2000 years previously? I am sure I will be waiting for a long time on an answer to that question and just goes to show what an anomaly the creation of Israel was. There is not and never has been such an entitlement.
The Grim Beeper.
And the area was also home to a number of other peoples, not to mention that Palestinians and Jews are closely related.
Which part is despicable Seanie boy
The most moral army - consistent if nothing else
"First come the bombs. A boom, then 2,000lb worth of destructive force flattening everything in its way. Severing limbs, vaporizing bodies, leaving craters full of blood and rubble where children used to play.
Then come the drones. As the dust settles, the drones start to swarm, picking off any survivors. Armed quadcopters; ingeniously engineered killing machines hunting for human prey. The drones, many of which seem to be autonomous, shoot everything that moves. Even if it’s a helpless child, the drone will sometimes shoot: firing lethal bullets into a soft skull. A scene straight out of a dystopian sci-fi movie set on some desolate dust-covered planet. Except it’s not sci-fi; it’s reality. It’s happening right now in Gaza."
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/oct/17/gaza-doctors-testimonies?fbclid=IwY2xjawF-YMZleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHTQxS5Cgw7um6eVs4DptytMou2W4HV1Isp1mDf1iBnYalOdnSKaOlKRwVw_aem_VANM7m7md70T54Dmw8-iaA
I think you need to do a little more reading. The ancestry or national origin of Israeli Jews is all over the place. It most certainly is not just "European Zionists."
Furthermore, Israeli Jews have been intermarrying in Israel such that many of its people now have the bloodline of multiple ancestries. That means they are of an emerging Israeli ethnicity.
Cheerleading for the totalitarian, fundamentalist, imperialist, terrorist regime in Tehran? You know, the ones that are premier arms suppliers to Russia, Hamas and other sociopathic terrorists?
Statement of fact. You keep cheering for your terrorist Israel, good man.
Oh the irony.
The ancestry of current Israel may now be mixed, but back at the start of the Zionist movement, the percentage of indigenous Jewish people in what became mandatory Palestine was less than 5%. By 1920, the Jewish population was still only about 20% in Palestine and that was post Balfour Agreemet. The Zionist movement was a European endeavour, period.
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