The restaurant pays the deposit to the wholesaler. They can't avoid that bit.
So it's either €6 for the can or €5.75 + 25c deposit.
Either way the customer is paying the deposit.
The original poster who claimed to have a problem later clarified they didn't know if they were charged a deposit.
The other poster who said there was an extension to the deadline for old stock never came back to explain.
I'm putting this on hold until there is more information.
I don't consider it a "puff piece" when a newspaper publishes information from a respected NGO.
If you have an issue with the editorial policy of the IT take it up with them.
Coastwatch certainly have enough on their plate promoting protection of our marine environment without taking on responsibility for all the problems of DRS.
We have discussed many of these problems here on the thread and probably will again.
I have no reason to believe that any media outlet is allowing ad. revenue to influence reporting on Re-turn.
Not in a retention situation, as I've tried to explain to you multiple times.
They can opt to have you leave the cans and you never pay the deposit. The retailer reclaims it without it ever appearing on the bill
I will not try explain this another time, it is incredibly simple
In the case of Croke Park how does the hospitality business reclaim the containers when they are scattered far and wide and there are multiple vendors?
I'd say they just pass it on.
In the case of a pub a lot of containers get damaged, there's a cost in sorting, storing and returning. This needs to be passed on.
I know a pub where the owner couldn't be arsed so put the price up, the staff just collect them.
They are not using that specific exemption, that's how
Their products must be registered, like everyone else's, and can be taken home and reclaimed, like everyone else's. This has been the point the entire time
They are using the floor area sell, charge, don't do return exemption which is not hospitality specific.
In fairness, how many pubs use cans and plastic bottles? I have only every seen glass in any pubs around here. If any use plastic or cans it has to be very much a minority.
Red bull cans would be the most common, some pubs do plastic soft drink bottles and a very small number of pubs sell beer cans for consumption on site.
Fair enough. I've never seen it in any pubs here at all. Interesting.
There would also be a number of lemonade and 7up bottles used for shandies, lager tops and some old lads still like a drop of red in the whiskey.
They'd be mostly behind the counter and never charged out to customers.
West coast cooler only comes in cans.
Bulmers have a pint can just for pubs.
Some places do 7up, coke etc.
It depends where you are. There are ten pubs what I'm living now. Nine of them use cans for Coke/7up etc. All ten do cans of cider.
In my last town only one place out of seven used cans for minerals.
I was really surprised myself when I moved.
Off topic, but demographics are weird. In my "old" town nowhere sold pints of Carling. Here it's the biggest seller after Guinness. Both are in the same county but 70 miles apart.
Mirror - Re-turn directors paid €400k despite company reporting €6.5m loss
The directors of the company include representatives from major drinks producers and retailers, such as Heineken Ireland, Tesco Ireland, Diageo, Britvic Ireland, and the Clada Group. 11 directors received total remuneration of €401,356 last year, having already been paid €313,087 during the 10 months of 2022 following the firm’s incorporation.
the company is owned by the drinks bottlers. Anyone have the full eleven director names?
DRS is merely a "tax revenue stream" says Cavan County Council
Cllrs referred to the scheme as a “money-making racket”, claiming that €1m a day was being collected while consumers continue paying to recycle plastics through their household waste service. The letter was sent by the council executive after elected members had passed a motion directing it to write to Minister Ossian Smyth, “seeking clarification on the merits of the scheme”.
Not For Profit! Polluter Pays! Not A Quango! 🙄
That is shocking. Not only are they transferring all the responsibility, work and cost (by proxy still counts) onto us but their reps are getting big payouts for sitting on committees and refusing to make basic changes to Re-Turn for airports, home delivery (housebound customers), IBAN deposit refund etc etc.
The green economy is the ultimate blank check for gombeens to stuff their pockets.
We all new this kind of revelation was coming, but oh no, this won't be happening we were told.
Plenty of junkets and expenses too.
I'm sure you probably thought you were doing the best thing here with your efforts.
However, consider that the plastic you've collected is going to be incinerated. You are not doing any favours for climate change. It would be better left on the ground!
By using DRS, you are prolonging the use of single use plastic bottles.
Unfortunately, those are the facts.
Are you privy to figures for the amount of carbon released into the atmosphere by the DRS?
It's not as clear cut as that though, is it…
Switching from plastic to other heavier drinks containers like glass increases carbon dioxide emissions in terms of both the creation of the glass and the transport of the glass (as it is heavier and you can get less glass onto a pallet). And by not burning the plastic (assuming that is what's happening to it), Ireland burns large amounts of gas instead to fuel its ever increasing data centre power demand.
And leaving plastic on the street in Howth, it'd likely end up in the sea and become microplastics and enter the food chain….
I agree that the scheme is implemented in a way that is unhelpful for the general public… but then the entire private bin collection thing in the south is mind boggling anyway - as obviously some people are going to just not pay for recycling collection and instead dispose of their refuse by other means.
Can you confirm that DRS plastic is being incinerated ?
Leaving litter on the ground is really not a great option.
There is very little enthusiasm among producers, retailers or consumers for getting rid of single use plastic bottles. Changing that is going to take the mother of all campaigns.
Sorry, I don't have those figures.
......bottles CAN be recycled. In any case I prefer to live in a place that's not full of trash, and where those who clean up get a few Bob out of it.
I personally buy very seldom small plastic bottles, i Don't like most fizzy stuff and prefer tap water....
Do you have any figure what % of returns is recycled/incinerated?
The recycling of plastic and its benefits is a very complex situation, not as environmentally friendly as it portrays to be.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/04/22/stop-recycling-plastic-earth-day/
Most plastics end up in an incinerator. PET bottles mostly do as well. At best you'll get one recycle, maybe two on a slim chance. But the reality is that it's usually just one stop on its way to the fire.
Companies need to have pressure put on them to stop using plastic, especially one use packaging.
Surely even the biggest fan of this scheme would have to admit that charging the deposit at airport departure lounges is really taking the piss ?
I guess we all agree that littering bottles in the Bushes is the worst solution, even if this was already proposed a act of resistance against the new system
Best is to avoid one way bottles, ANS a "i will just stop buying small bottles" was already mentioned by the critics.
What's up with these little balls of plastic and aluminium? I never came across them before today. I seen a few of them littered around the place. They don't have a Re-Turn symbol and they seem to be from the US.
You can get them all over the place in the north, B&M has them, as does my local Mace, and the off licence in the next village.
At first I thought these were under the lower limit of 150ml containers but now I see they are 200ml so should have a barcode and re-turn logo if they're being sold here… Interesting
Apparently on sale here.
https://www.carryout.ie/c/buzz-ballz/680?srsltid=AfmBOooQubiuInrl2M8kZv3rnXd6DHLPOEHNtuIJhaQVb8M8Ptu3zKQP
