I wonder how this will work out for him
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no, you didn't. my question was clearly on changes to how contempt works not how those changes come into effect.
I answered your question.
What you thought you asked I am assuming is 'what should the laws be changed to'.
That's pretty simple, make contempt of a court a criminal offence on a statutory footing.
Our contempt laws never anticipated irrational behaviour like that exhibited by the Enoch Burke.
There is a strong case to at least clarify the contempt laws by putting them on a statutory footing, as has been done in some of the other common law jurisdictions. And no harm to take the opportunity to modernise them at the same time. Contempt of Court is a direct and deliberate affront to our society and needs to be dealt with. As one senior Canadian judge put it, "To allow Court orders to be disobeyed would be to tread the road towards anarchy. If the orders of the Court can be treated with disrespect, the whole administration of justice is brought into scorn. Daily, thousands of Canadians resort to our Courts for relief against the wrongful acts of others. If the remedies that Courts grant to correct those wrongs can be ignored, then there will be nothing left but for each person to take the law into his own hands. Loss of respect for the Courts will quickly result in the destruction of our society."
Yes, the so called Hate Crime Bill was mentioned along with many of the other provocative phrases they appear to relish and delight in using. The Bill contains a definition of "Gender"
… indeed, which may be a big issue for more than just the Burkes!
I wonder do the Burkes use their votes at all, given their utter contempt for our politicians, judiciary and administrative systems.
Isaac should have been arrested for keeping his foot in the door of Lisa Chambers office. He didn't have an appointment, he just showed up and tried to force himself in.
I suspect that an arrest is exactly what they wanted and could then portray themselves as victims via social media to their idiot fanbase
The way the mother says "get their faces, get their faces" when talking about recording the Gardai says it all.
A horrible piece of work.
Galatians 5:22-23 - But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.
For someone who loudly professes her Christianity it’s difficult to find any trace of the Christian traits mentioned above in her behaviour, attitude and verbiage
Vicious ould harridan more like.
Enoch should run for office in the upcoming election - then we'll see what proportion of the electorate support their views.
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Not sure why I thought about Ammi when I read this…
https://www.latintimes.com/woman-who-sued-company-not-giving-her-farewell-card-finds-out-they-did-buy-card-almost-no-one-562230
"After her colleagues didn't present her with a farewell card on her last day of work, Karen Conaghan sued the International Airlines Group, her former employer from 2019 until she was laid off in 2021, for "failure to acknowledge her existence," a breach of equality law, according to The Guardian.
In court, Conaghan's former colleague testified that they did buy a card, but they didn't give it to her because only three people signed it.
"He believed it would have been more insulting to give her the card than not to give her a card at all," Judge Kevin Palmer revealed."
Her name is Karen, you couldn't make it up.
In mayo?.he'd get 11 votes....
TBH. I am going to give the benefit of the doubt to the half of the family we do not hear about.
Have they escaped and are they just absolutely mortified by the conduct of their parents and younger siblings?
As the sons are mostly lookalikes, I'm wondering which of them was with Mom on Kildare St yesterday [or today] asking Charlie Flanagan what the word "gender" means. As they had interrupted a conversation Charlie was having with another gent and the Burkes weren't moving off, Charlie was lucky enough to be near two Gardai who walked with him back to his offices, throwing the Burkes off their stride. So far I've missed finding out who the invisible third person is with the Burkes doing all the filming, apart from where a certain "journalist" makes his identity known.
Just saw the latest video from them. It's intiresting that when they corner Peadar Toibin, he seems relativley friendly at first and even agrees that he's voting no to the bill, which is what the Burkes want, but that's not good enough. They harass and harrangue him for not bieng "passionate" enough until he has to sense to just walk away from the loons. There's no good-faith argument from this family, just pre-scripted rants.
Can you imagine the ructions if he got 10……
Saw that, no attempt to engage with him at all, he actually said something about does your hearing work? They didn’t even want to hear what someone in their ‘side’ of that debate would say as it was never going to go far enough. They seem to be upping the camera in the face bits now and I think it’s only a matter time before they do it to the wrong person and get more than a sound bite.
We saw how well Peter Casey did running on a platform of hate when he ran he two elections that matter. Enoch should do much worse.
(IMO Casey did well in the Presidential race as protest vote again Michael Higgins reneging on his promise to only serve one term and his prickish behaviour in leaving it the last minute to declare his intentions to run or not, stymieing other decent candidates from mounting a campaign)
Anyway, back on topic.
On his letter he has "Dr. Isaac Burke….. PhD".
You don't use both - either "Isaac Burke PhD" or "Dr. Isaac Burke".
The latter would normally only be used in a professional capacity when connected to his qualification - for example in academia.
Again. He has a choice.
Obey the court - everything is fine.
Ignore and wantonly disobey the court - go to jail.
Nothing about this suggests the contempt laws need updating.
You are missing the point. The law was never meant to be punitive, only coercive.
It's not just my opinion.
The Law Reform Commission and literal Supreme Court judges have called for reform for years. Decades in fact.
They have questioned the actually legality of the law when held up against the constitution and human rights legislation.
There was an actual bill introduced in 2017 to change it, but it expired because it tacked a lot of things that may interfered with freedom of the press, etc.
But to simplify, Human Rights 101 in Western Countries. You don't remove the liberty of someone indefinitely without a trial even despite themselves. It's a corner stone of any liberal democracy. Even in Russia they have show trials.
But the aim is clear here, he has done 450-500 odd days of bird, he is full in on this.
The Judiciary are already very uneasy about this, it's why he is given so much leeway.
But when do the rest of us start to get uncomfortable, 5,000 days, 10,000, 15,000?
There will come a point when the mood music changes and he will start getting support from the civil rights side of the legal profession.
His mother has absolutely no problem sacrificing his life to play the victim.
They are getting exactly what they want.
Can everyone please read the OP
This thread is not about transgenderism, so so not complain if you pick up warnings and resultant bans for continuing down that route
"Dr. Isaac Burke….. PhD"
Pity he didn't get the diploma in computers, like Rodney Trotter…
It never ceases to be coercive though, Burke can purge his contempt at any time. He is the only reason he's in prison.
Even it was changed to a punitive punishment, say Burke got 30 days for turning up at the school, he would simply turn up again when released and be sent back for another 30 days, and so on.
It all comes back to what was posted above, not having a contempt of court process just leads to anarchy. In saying that the non collection of the daily fine he was given is nonsensical when he's still being paid.
The invisible third person filming is one of the daughters. I don't think its Ammi, (or at least not usually). I think its either Jemima or Kezia from what I can tell.
I watched the video of when they accosted Simon Harris in Castlebar, one of the Burkes filming was Simeon, but I think the other was Kezia. But it might be Jemima!
It does not take away from the point that the choice is still his. Being such an expert in the law I am sure being incarcerated will not have been a surprise to him. Maybe the rules need updating but he is fully aware of the rules as they stand and he has still taken his chosen path. This is all on him not the system.
It never ceases to be coercive though
That doesn't really matter. When it crosses the threshold of being punitive that is when the opaqueness of the law becomes tricky.
It is already by any barometer punitive.
What you want to do is make it a criminal offence and give it a statutory footing with a clear frame work.
If he chooses to break the law then he is treated like every other criminal, he gets a trial and if found guilty is punished.
The main positive of that is it relieves the school of having to do part of the justices systems job for them which comes at great stress and cost.
It does not take away from the point that the choice is still his
You need to stop focusing on that.
He has chosen under no circumstances will he purge his contempt under the conditions outlined, therefore the law which is supposed to be coercive becomes punitive.
Justice is supposed to exist even despite the person.
The problem is Burke is such a detestable individual it's hard to see the bigger picture on our not fit for purpose contempt laws (again far more learned people than me have the same opinion).
But in the future imagine someone you can empathise with who gets their liberty removed indefinitely through contempt.
Maybe a farmer whose land was taken off them to give to a Multinational.
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