Anyone notice the new Creepy intimidating cameras in Aldi Kings meadow cork road, they are huge self facing cameras at the serve yourself they are a few iches from your face, surely a data protection privacy breach.
Your local Sainsbury's?
Who are they?
I live in Ireland, one of my local pubs doesn't even have a cash register and if any famous musicians are playing anywhere within a 20-30 mile distance you'll often find them in there before or after the gig having a few pints and a sing song with the locals.
You're explaining nothing only the fact that you are old and have a good memory which is not in the least relevant to the post you quoted.
We will soon be in the era of you just lifting your groceries, bagging them as you go and paying at the end. It's more or less already happening in my local Sainsbury's. They don't want you queuing for ages, so it makes sense to scan as you shop and have one simple payment at the end.
There's even already places in the world where you just lift whatever you want off the shelves and leave, and you are charged. Cameras follow you all the time and they know what you have taken. I was chatting to someone who was at a sports event in the US and this system was in place. You basically headed to the shops shelves, grabbed a Coke or whatever, and left.
In a decade I don't think there will be standing in line to pay.
Thank Christ it's not just me who thinks the same!!
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Was in an amazing shop in Vilnius last year, no self scanning, just used sensors, cameras, etc. to 'see' what you were picking up, then as you walked to the exit, there was your total on a screen, one tap, gone. Couldn't even imagine the level of tech to make it happen. Fascinating.
Ye but that was back during the 'Open All Hours' era of shopping, we don't live in 1970's anymore. I'd much rather not give someone a list and have them pick out my shopping for me. Just because you don't like them doesn't mean they're "bad" processes.
It is moving away from having someone scanning the items for you with self service checkouts, scan as you shop in Tesco and Dunnes and I and many others much prefer this system.
I can now pop into Aldi for one or 2 things and don't have to get in a queue of people who have trolley's full.
ATMs are the banks version of self service and have been around for decades. How many people complain about self service in shops yet use the ATM even when the bank is open where a human will serve you. I know plenty.
in a few decades I expect drone delivery to front door and take away the empties.
Once upon a time, it WAS somebody else's job to take YOUR shopping from the shelves.
First supermarket in my local town opened 50 years ago this year. It closed maybe 20 years ago, but that's neither here nor there for the purposes of this particular post..
Prior to the supermarket opening, whenever you went grocery shopping in any shop in the town, you simply handed in your shopping list to somebody at the front counter, and they went and got all the items for you. You never got any further than the front counter yourself.
My mother recalls how when the supermarket first opened, some people thought it incredibly handy to now be able to just go and look after yourself. However, others gave out about it: "Why do I now have to go and do their job? And now they won't need as many staff on the counter, so that's not good either."
Essentially, the same arguments that people use now about self-service checkouts.
More recently - but still probably 30 years ago - supermarkets generally had a second staff member at each till, to bag the items that people were buying. Then they started to do away with that, and again, people thought: "What? So now I have to do this myself every time?"
The fact that I have to explain this to you shows how over time, the new and "bad" processes become accepted and thought of as normal. It might - just might - be the case in another few decades that self-service will have become so ubiquitous that young people then will be asked "would you believe there was a time when somebody used to be employed to do the scanning for you?"
Are you aware Lidl have camera's at their manned check-outs to check that the trolley is empty. There's signage to alert you about the camera. Have to say it doesn't bother me.
I thoroughly detest self service check outs. Another cost cutting exercise and removal of human interaction.
I was in the pound shop in Stillorgan SC a few weeks ago. The self-service machines were switched off and there was a small queue for the single check-out operator. When the queue got longer, a security guy appeared, he switched on the three or four self-service machines and stood like a sentry behind us as we scanned our purchases.
I notice that some Aldi stores at some times have a security guard, previously they did not - same with Lidl but I think in Lidl the security guard is permanent.
In Tesco - all stores - they are now ensuring that you can not go out via the 'in route' and you have to pass through a till or self scan till before you leave.
They are putting security tags now on cuts of meat and anything that is easily 'lifted'.
How is it someone else's job to take YOUR shopping from the shelves?
You really do have some mad beliefs.
Noticed the new self serve checkouts in Penneys recently. You have to scan your receipt at the area exit so you can open the barrier. They, like many other retailers are cutting down on staff. People who don't have cards can still use cash.
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I have no intention of doing someone else's job when I go shopping
You have already done someone else job when you picked the goods from the shelf.
I haven't seen them too much here but they seem common enough at self checkouts in the UK.
It's a funny one. Any actual thieves won't be bothered, nothing happens to them anyway
for me one of the reasons i liked & shopped at aldi and lidl was the fact they would open a new till if they saw a long line of customers. While in dunnes/tesco the employees could continue their chat with mates & stacking shelves etc while i waited. IE the customer was not their priority.
the self service tills change that dynamic. I agree with the last poster that it is a very valid point. if i have a couple of items in a basket self service work well, maybe even better as there are many open tills. But if i have a larger quantity of messages self service becomes a chore for me, and a labour/cost saving for the shop at my expense.
Some stores in UK are removing self service areas, they don't or shouldn't replace manned checkouts. At night my local Tesco is 100% self service and it makes me think twice about dropping around for anything non urgent.
They put those self service check outs in my nearest Aldi too but after using one once I now just flat refuse to use one again.
I'd honestly be afraid I didn't scan something right, it happened a couple of times when I tried it the first time and the manager was on hand to try and "train" me how to use it. I told him straight up finish the rest of the scanning for me and I'm never again using one.
Last time I was in there there was no one on any of the 5 or 6 tills and 1 staff member in the self service area, I just asked which conveyor belt do I load my shopping on and she told me and radioed for a till operator to come and serve me.
I have no intention of doing someone else's job when I go shopping and when the till was opened other people queued up behind me so thankfully I'm not alone.
Jesus some people really need to go learn about GDPR and stop name dropping it without understanding what it is.
There is no data protection breach by your image being recorded in a supermarket, you don't have your personal information tattooed across your forehead. And stores are within their rights to have such cameras in place, especially when it comes to stock protection at self service from those who might be less than honest when scanning their own shopping.
Go somewhere else if you don't like it and you can pretend the cameras you don't see don't exist.
M&S have them at their self service tills too. As has the Aldi I go to. There's some kind of reminder at the M&S ones like 'our cameras are always on' or something. Never cost me a thought, tbh. I presume they are to deter shoplifting. 🤷♀️
You could just choose to not open the threads you have no interest in.
Can we not just have one megathread for all the conspiracy loopies who constantly wrongly think that their GDPR rights are being infringed.
I see Tescos in Bancroft have them too. Lidl have mirrors in place there but I'd always assumed there was a camera behind the mirror.
wow. OP can you explain why you think its a data protection issue?
Its a bit of a jump to go straight there.
The issue of theft is made worse with self service - and one of the factors is below
"Research indicates that individuals are more likely to engage in unethical behavior when they believe they are not being observed, suggesting that self-checkout systems might inadvertently encourage theft by offering a sense of invisibility. "
Source: https://blog.agilenceinc.com/psychology-of-self-checkout-theft
So you can see why overt cameras would be used to lower losses in a store. if you are uncomfortable with overt surveillance you can vote with your feet, or even write to the store and let them know.
But any assumption that your not being recorded in other stores is silly, a fact mentioned by an earlier poster. Its less overt. There is a very good reason the overt recording is used for self service tills, and you have not yet put forward a reasonable reason why it should not be used.
Yep.
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GDPR must be the most misunderstood thing of the 21st century.
