It seems like a Jewish right wing are determined to start a Middle East war and WWIII . Israel is the equivalent of a Fascist state and it’s time to call them out as such .
Hamas literally states that their supporters should act as human shields. It is literally a part of their war strategy. They have openly declared this. See Post 1980.
Not only duped. Sure they've been saying this from the start "Hamas just want us to kill as many as possible" as some weird form of excuse.
I find it strange that the zionists were willing to accede so willingly to something they imagined Hamas wanted, but not willing to accede to things they actually wanted such as to piss off desecrating their mosques and stealing their lands and locking up people without any trial or charge laid.
Israel has to at some point recognise it is they that are killing the civilians in Gaza and still haven't gotten rid of hamas. They can wrap it up as human shields or collateral but after a year of this killing people are getting tired of these excuses.
Their policy so far has been a failure and brought them to the ICC and ICJ and more countries then ever now recognise Palestine. Even if you think Hamas set a trap for then doesn't mean you have to support Israel jumping headfirst into it.
Victim blaming at its finest
So the regime are being duped into killing 10s of 1000s because of PR?
Will you have a day off lad.
It is literally Hamas strategy to get as many of their civilians killed as possible for PR purposes. They literally state this.
Hamas knows that the more of their own people they get killed, the more Hamasniks in the West will point to it and say "look, Israel bad."
Israel has to have a plan to make peace it would cause massive economic damage to its economy if it go,s to war with Iran
biden does not to get into a war with Iran .if Iran go,s to war it could cause massive causalitys . in Israel the IDF bombed a mosque in the Lebanon it killed civilians of course
Insanity is thinking you can build long term peace on the graves of 15k children. This insane approach still doesn't seem to have actually achieved anything apart from make Israel a pariah.
The video I posted in Post 1980 debunks the whole charge of Israel just massacring people large scale for sh*ts and giggles.
Israel - as a proportion of its total population - suffered the equivalent of 12 9/11 attacks - with a credible threat of many more to come. Any other nation would have gone to a total war state in those circumstances. Collateral damage is unavoidable in an all-out war state, often to a great degree. The Israel-Gaza war is further complicated both by the insane population density of Gaza and the Hamas strategy of getting as many civilians "martyred" as possible for PR purposes.
But with people like this, there should be no doubt in the mind of any sane person that Israel had to go to a total war state.
Who said No civilian casualties? At least have an honest debate.
How exactly are Israel supposed to fight an all-out war with no civilian casualties especially when it is Palestinian policy to get as many killed as possible?
And we know this is BS because Israel was criticised even when it carried out the most precise strike in human history (on the Hezbollah pagers).
They could have shown restraint, instead they chose massacre of the innocents.
They could have had a plan.
Can anyone tell me what the end game actually looks like? What's day one after the fighting ends? War is the extension of politics. War is used to establish political aims. What's their political aim? What will the middle east look like when the fighting is over. Because all I can see is revenge at this point.
"They could have demanded the extradition of all Hamas leaders and held them accountable"
LMOA, I think we both know how well that would have worked.
At any rate, I just saw YouTube commentator Konstantin Kisin on YouTube comprehensively destroy all the anti-Israel arguments, point-by-point. My only criticism is that he failed to point out that the 1947 partition plan included mostly Jewish owned land and worthless desert. Thusly, the "Israel is an illegitimate state" is even less valid than Mr. Kisin claims.
And you were answered in what they could have done. They could have chosen some restraint.
The majority of your post does not address the question at all – you are back to what they should not do rather than what they could do. your first point is a good one and is something that they could have asked others to do, but I think we all know there was not a chance of the Hamas leadership being handed over.
that wasn’t the question. We would obviously disagree with the accuracy of what you’re saying, but that would be pointless. The question was what could Israel have done, not what they should not do.
They could have demanded the extradition of all Hamas leaders and held them accountable
They could have not targeted hospitals, journalists, schools, refugee camps, food aid convoys....
They could have not murdered children hiding in cars amongst the bodies of their family with a tank, and then murdered the rescue workers who responded to their desperate call for help...
They could have ejected the psychopaths and genocidal voices from their own government. They could have negotiated the release of their hostages. They could have reigned in the violence by settlers in the west bank......
Well, how about not engaging in the wanton destruction of civilian areas and the indiscriminate shelling and shooting of civilians? The deliberate targeting of hospitals and Red Cross facilities? Deliberately withholding much needed aid? Or how about not murdering international journalists who are there to document the conflict?
The sheer amount of innocent casualties in this war, including a staggering number of women and children, shows that Israel have absolutely no restraint and will happily murder anyone who gets in their way. War crimes can be avoided if the warring party choose to do so. Israel simply don't care, because they know they have the US veto to use as a get out of jail card.
just going back to original poster. Could anyone tell me something different Isreal could have done following Oct 7?
Support your fucking claim.
If you're accusing anyone of antisemitism on this thread, then back it up.
So presumably you will accept the decision of the ICJ if they issue arrest warrants for Gallant and Bibi for war crimes.
I'm just going to leave this here:
“Well, it’s a trick, we always use it. When from Europe somebody is criticizing Israel, then we bring up the Holocaust. When in this country people are criticizing Israel, then they are anti-Semitic. And the organization is strong, and has a lot of money, and the ties between Israel and the American Jewish establishment are very strong and they are strong in this country, as you know. And they have power, which is okay. They are talented people and they have power and money, and the media and other things, and their attitude is “Israel, my country right or wrong,” identification. And they are not ready to hear criticism. And it’s very easy to blame people who criticize certain acts of the Israeli government as anti-Semitic, and to bring up the Holocaust, and the suffering of the Jewish people, and that is to justify everything we do to the Palestinians.”
Infamous antisemite (not really), Shulamit Aloni, being interviewed by Democracy Now in 2002.
This article from the BBC three days ago is very interesting.
Its a fairly quick read.
Fair enough is fair enough.
UNIFIL existed before the current increased activity in that location. It has a mandate - that outlines the "point" of UNIFIL (note their humanitarian role)":
Given that UNIFIL is mandated to August 2025, by the Security Council, Ireland needs to discuss and agree a withdrawal with them. Simply withdrawing would put the other Nations providing troops for UNIFIL at risk. As any other nation withdrawing would put Irish troops at increased risk.
Ah not the antisemitic stuff yet again. You guys need new material. This is played out now.
UN
And just in case you don't get it -
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/12/billionaires-are-teaming-up-for-pro-israel-anti-hamas-media-drive-report
Fair enough. i was really only referring to the ending of hostilities. Didn't make that clear.
