It seems like a Jewish right wing are determined to start a Middle East war and WWIII . Israel is the equivalent of a Fascist state and it’s time to call them out as such .
Thank you. I've been making the exact same point: I'm older than you because I remember (just about) the early years of the troubles, but it's much the same experience regarding the attitudes of people in the south - and yes, the armchair republicans on here now make me sick. They weren't so brave at the time!
Why are you bringing that up as an excuse for IDF soldiers to rape any prisoner like you have done here?
You see, anyone can make up strawman nonsense. It is dishonest to put your own meaning on something just to try to challenge your own meaning simply because you don't like the original post. If you want to brush things under the carpet, that is your choice. But you cannot stop others. One poster posted about one anniversary. No other context of use of it to justify anything. I joined in and posted about two other anniversaries. Again, no use of it to justify anything. Strangely enough, you didn't attack the first poster. But you did attack me.
So please give me the list of things we can remember and highlight, and the things we have to pretend never happened. Thanks
Apologies, I don't know why I thought the first one was directed at me.
I do not think one justifies the other at all. I am entirely in agreement with you. I do think that people who are denying the fact that Hamas raped women last year are delusional and, as you would put it, "useful idiots", when it comes to arguing for "their side".
So you think murder of X people justifies murder of X times Y people Z years in future?
Think very carefully about the answer to that
Not as remarkable as the hard right now playing the victim.
In the years preceding October 7th 2023 Israel have killed far more Palestinians than Israelis died on Oct 7th. And most of the Palestinians killed by the Israeli state are not militants, usually children and teenagers killed by settlers.
Contrast that to the number of active and reservist IDF killed on October 7th.
Or contrast Iranian rockets travelling over 1000km and hiitting only military targets versus Israel sending rockets only 100s of meters across the Gaza barricade and still managing to hit hospitals, schools, ambulances, aid workers, journalists.
Either the Iranians are far more advanced in precision strikes than Israel, or Israel are deliberately targeting civilians in Gaza and Lebanon. I know what my moneys on
The same as I believe that dozens of Palestinian kids were killed by the IDF and settlers in 2023 before October. The same as I believe that the zionists raped many Palestinian men and women. One does not justify the other. But neither is one to be highlighted and used an an excuse for the other to continue.
The first post you quote was not in response to you.
Why then bring up the death of 2 people in previous year as a way of justifying October 7th like you have done here
Again it's a completely dishonest framing of my answer so you can grandstand and I'm not having it.
I haven't been dishonest.
Do you believe children were killed and women were raped by Hamas terrorists on october 7th?
I cannot say if she's been raped or not. My post didn't mention rape. It is obvious that her body is being treated with inhuman disrespect. To use the comment " a little bloodied up" is belittling the death of another human being.
That, and other posts you've put up leads me to believe that you are revelling in those deaths.
If you don't, maybe temper your posting style with more thought to the actual humans involved.
This stems from your pathetic attempt to create a strawman. Dishonest.
"Israel is a stain on humanity".
Now, I am not one for hyperbole, but could you not be mistaken for believing that is not right out of Hitler's speeches?
It's remarkable that the people who would class themselves as "left" are now gone full circle to become what they accused everone as being.
Have a look at the report then. It ties together a lot of things which have been individually verified. For example, as I mentioned, the debunked 40 beheaded babies claim and the terrorist roster. The command and control centres hidden in tunnels below hospitals which was conveniently forgotten about and never mentioned again once the zionists had destroyed and taken over the buildings and had the opportunity to show those hospitals. Ironically, the few basement rooms that were shown were actually built by the Israelis back in the day.
All the claims which have been since debunked, if you look back on the history of the other thread from those times, the same usual suspects on here were repeating blindly verbatim.
You keep spinning now that you dug yourself into a hole with you earlier silly post which I highlighted for being insane and you keep avoiding trying to explain this post for some reason
Higher up the page there is an Atlantic article where Iranian missiles killed two people (one Arab Israeli and one Palestinian)
Do you think Israel should now kill 1200 people in response?
We know there was a battle between Hamas and armed security and eventually there were helicopters on the scene. You're just speculating now about who killed who. What we do know is Hamas were there to take enemy prisoners that were on occupied land.
1 year on. Turns out israel is able to put explosives inside 5000 pagers and know exactly where the Hezbollah leader was in Beirut, yet somehow was able to be attacked from the israeli made concentration camp of Gaza, by people on homemade hand gliders, and somehow take 100's of hostages back into Gaza. It gets more and more ridiculous
Just give me a list of the things we need to keep highlighting and remembering over and over and over again, and then a list of things we need to suppress and forget about or pretend never happened.
Wasn't an ad hominem. I just think that people using the phrase "useful idiot" is commonly heard from people who are unwilling to take part in a rational discussion and have their minds firmly made up. Pretty much a useful idiot.
I had to google what Hasbara meant. I don't swallow that. I am higly critical of the Israeli government. I am not a fan of the jewish faith either (religious based circumcision is disgusting).
I don't like what is happening. I don't support either side. I refuse to take a side. I hope for a resolution.
Imagine if the English had been living with this level of threat from the IRA in England? No other democratic country is expected to tell its citizens to just suck this up and get on with life. Any European government that did that would be out of office within a week.
I know I am wasting my time arguimg with some people. You have denied any evidence of rapes by Hamas. For a start, take a look at this fairly reputable source:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/18/evidence-points-to-systematic-use-of-rape-by-hamas-in-7-october-attacks
I already made it clear earlier in thread that what Israel has done in last year was deplorable and strategically stupid
Now back to you do you think that murder of 2 people justifies murder of 1200 people
Yes or no
Answer to either opens a Pandora’s box of further questions, which I think you are now starting to realise as you are doing everything to avoid standing by and elaborating on the crass post you made earlier
Defending yourself doesn't extend to genocide in Gaza, blowing up an Iranian embassy, bombing then starving a population, bombing UN staff and aid convoys and then invading Lebanon. You can call us stupid all you want, but then what would you call the government who opens a war on three fronts, commits war crimes, isolates themselves diplomatically from the rest of the world and has ensured a guerilla war against them for the forseeable future?
Israel is a stain on humanity. It is no worse or better than the 'terrorists' it purports to eliminate except it pretends to do so under a mask of democracy. It can therefore add hypocrisy to its list of many, many sins.
Any chance you'd deign to explain what exactly Israel should have done instead then? I mean, they launched a technically amazing targeted attack on Hezbollah's own pagers, yet posters on here complained wildly about that too, even saying they were booby trapping "household devices", as though they were pagers people had bought on the high street. The very same posters who claimed to support Israel's right to defend itself "just not like that". So how then?
It was your heroes although @dmcdona @Greyfox and many others have claimed that no one cheers on/sympathises with Hamas/Hezbollah so its strange.
So you think it is alright for Israel to kill thousands of Lebanese men, women and kids just because it's the anniversary of an incident that they, or none of their countrymen, had any involvement in?
If not, then why did you make that crass post.
If you are going to engage in dishonest nonsense, expect it back.
You can keep swallowing the hasbara if you want. I suggest you watch the report and outline which of the bits you have issue with. Most of them are already universally accepted as proven individually. You'll attempt ad hominem attacks simply to suppress it because you know the truth. But you are only fooling yourself
So do you think murder of 1200 people is somehow justified because murder of 2 in previous year
If not then why did you make that crass post?
Ok, lets put a stop to this nonsense. Stop dragging NI into this, or using NI, to be more exact. I'm from NI. I'm a Nationalist. I lived through the troubles, the end of the troubles to be more exact. The fact that you are trying to compare what happened in NI to the Middle East speaks volumes about you, and it displays a level of ignorance about NI that I take issue with. I'm sick to death of silver spooned, bar stool Republican brats down here going on about NI. You didn't do much to help the people of NI back then when it mattered!
You have your own reasons for supporting Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran. You don't feel comfortable posting those reasons on this forum for some reason. That's your problem. Leave NI out of it.
I know your type alright and I can see right through a good few others posting here.
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