It seems like a Jewish right wing are determined to start a Middle East war and WWIII . Israel is the equivalent of a Fascist state and it’s time to call them out as such .
Oh you can. Both are hate-filled, nasty, stubborn, idealistic, fanatical, narrow-minded ignoramii.
Almost like a Trump MAGA supporter, come to think of it.
You just cannot argue with people like that. All they understand is severe punishment. Israel has hidden under the cloak of antisemitism for far too long now. In the eyes of the world's peoples looking on, the straw is about to break.
Let's see what happens when the first Irish UNIFIL soldier is killed by Israel, for example. Guaranteed to happen. In fact I'm betting they are just itching to avenge the nasty antisemitic rhetoric coming out of Ireland.
Hamas? Surely we already know enough about them, we've had Hamas-lite here for years.
So yes, both are the same. It's just that we are beyond the cusp of getting over the fear of calling out Israel and actually doing something about it here.
You're working under the assumption that (a) the Israeli state views them as human beings and (b) certain posters here are of the same opinion, which they clearly are not. One cheerleader took issue with the IDF murdering sheep but apparently is fine with them killing Arabs.
I'll just leave this here.
Also, you can expect a deliberate targeting of Irish Unifil troops, by Israel, in the coming days.
I addressed ‘Sand’ and pointed out that their anti-Semitic auld guff was beyond the point of credibility for someone who wants to retain the pretence that they aren’t anti-Semitic.
I've bickered with that poster over the years and while I don't always agree with what they say, accusing Sand of anti-Semitism is just a lazy and very boring way of supporting mass murder, ethnic cleansing and possibly genocide but carry on. No doubt I'm being anti-Semitic for pointing this out.
another way of looking at it is Gaza and Lebanon have nice beaches on the med . It could be the next Ibiza
Bet some around here loved the George W Bush - if you're not with us, you're against us stance. The other cheek of the Neo-Con rear end.
It's not a legitimate country. They are an occupying force that is trying to genocide the people of Palestine.
No, the only moral stance to take is to oppose everything Israel does. The 'both sides are bad' position is imbecilic and morally repugnant. You are simply enabling a genocide when you take that position.
And I would have an issue with that too - if Israel did not have legitimate cassis belli in both Gaza and Lebanon.
If they were just dropping 2000lb bombs on people for sh*ts and giggles, of course any sane person would be horrified by that. The problem is that Hamas stooges in the West paint Israel as if they're acting in a vacuum and don't have mortal enemies to deal with.
Oh I've no issues with Israel defending themselves, all countries have that right. My issue is with using 2000lb bombs in residential districts where the only goal of using them would be maximum destruction and zero regard for civilians.
Hezbollah started it on the 8th of October last, when Israel was not attacking anyone North of their border. So, yes, Hezbollah F'ed around and now they're finding out. You can't be surprised Israel has taken a total war stance when Hezbollah had been firing rockets over their border non-stop starting that day and continuing since.
So now the basement defense becomes a bunker defense eh?. There's some argument to make that in order to cut the head off the snake, some civilian casualties, or more civilian casualties than acceptable, maybe justified. I would certainly be thinking on that line, if it stopped Hezbollah etc… and ended hostilities. But that doesn't explain the thousands of 2000lb bombs dropped on Gaza. There isn't thousands of leaders of Hamas. We're seeing the same in Lebanon now. At the start, targeted strikes, now they seem to be bigger and causing more civilian casualties. Everyone is now the next in line to be the leader of Hezbollah, so a 2000lb bomb becomes justified to some.
Unfortunately so. There's a fair few people out there who think history only began around ten tik-tok videos ago. Sad but true.
Yes, it's not like bad actors have a history of making agreements and then violating them later. Like Hezbollah's ally Russia who signed two peace agreements with Ukraine and broke both: the 1994 Budapest Memorandum and the Minsk Accords post 2014, who in turn were emulating a moustachioed failed sign painter who signed the Munich Agreement 1938 with Neville Chaimberlain. Likewise, Iran and its proxies are very clear that their objective is to wipe Israel off the map.
At best, there could have been a temporary ceasefire while Israel's enemies rearmed. Just like what the MAGA nutjobs want to give Russia. Nothing more.
Hassan Nasrallah and the top Hezbollah command team were in a bunker below a residential apartment building.
seriously? Ffs! Do people actually think like this? Both sides are bat **** crazy that are no “righteous sides”
Imbecilic outlook.
Go Celtic!
Kinda sums up the narrative being pushed, doesn't it.
Spot on. They all don't care as long as the money keeps flowing.
I would also hold the view that there are no good guys in this debacle. Israel, hamas, hezbolah, Iran, USA, Britain, each and everyone are culpable for what we are seeing unfoald in the Middle East today and all should be ashamed at children women and innocent men getting bombed and killed day in day out.
Early contender for silliest post the day.
There are no 'civilian free' zones because Gaza is incredibly densely populated. It's a false premise so you can cop out and do the 'both sides are equally bad' routine. They are not. All attacks by Hamas on Israel are righteous and all attacks by Israel against anyone else are evil.
You may as well ask why for decades Israel hasn't abandoned its holdings when it was announced by neighboring countries they would be bombing them. Or why Zelensky didn't just pack up everyone in Kyiv and head for the hills when Russia said they were invading in a special 3 day operation.
Oh hey: the government and military of Afghanistan ran for it when the taliban was freed from prison by Trump and the withdrawal took place, they legged it out of there and what happened was the country fell to the taliban. Maybe the Lebanese don't feel like becoming this century's Poland? I'm not saying I support Hezbollah or the IDF - they both seem terroristic to me, but I do think it's a dumb question to be asking.
For what is worth, and after a recent respectful discourse with @markodaly, I do understand the position of Israel. They want peace and security and they should have it. As should the Palestinians and the Lebanese.
However, the Israeli methods of achieving security and peace seem to me to utterly preclude that goal. And that's what I don't understand.
I think Hamas and Hezbollah are clearer - they are terrorists. But Israel is acting just like them right now and I think Israel has totally lost its way and has lost the room altogether.
Still as ignorant as ever I see Danno. Still getting around that permban I see
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Absolutely. There's plenty more people out there who hold this view. They generally don't follow Celtic FC/LOI soccer, work for an NGO or vote Sinn Fein/PBP.
There is one thing I can't get my head around. Israel is tonight telling various areas in Beirut to leave as they are going to attack it. What's to stop any Hezbollah people there leaving with civilians and escaping getting targeted by IDF bombs?
It's very hard to justify a land invasion of Lebanon if Hezbollah accept a ceasefire. It's hard to justify bombing Gaza if Hamas are willing to release the hostages….. seems to be a trend there with Israel.
Tis actually farcical. Still banging out about the two H’s hiding in civilian locations when the Israeli IDF and Mossad HQs (both terrorist orgs) are buried right in the middle of civilian infrastructure.
But you understand why they do it, your words. So you understand why they drop massive 2000lb bombs rather than smaller ones, but can't tell me why?
Since I don't advise Israel on what weapons it should use I'd have to direct you to their military leaders in Tel Aviv for an answer.
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