It seems like a Jewish right wing are determined to start a Middle East war and WWIII . Israel is the equivalent of a Fascist state and it’s time to call them out as such .
He is perfectly serious
Sean w has to believe they are fictious accusations and that they are only being levelled by left wing detractors for two reasons: (1) he can't abide the thought people who otherwise share his right wing views are critical of Israel
(2) He doesn't want to confront his own double standards- he'll clutch pearls if the other side dares to think about doing what Israel actually does-Israel according to Sean can do anything in the name of self defense.! Kill nuns; rape and torture detainees;throw people off a roof;use human shields- it's all grand because the IDF did it and it was clearly self defense.
He's essentially in the same camp as Putin in denying and deriding the opinion of international courts and organisations who have documented the war crimes and violations of international law by both Russia and Israel. He of course was all for the courts when they were indicting Putin.
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Neither side has a monopoly on whataboutery.Thanks for confirming my analysis."Fictional crimes"? You can't be serious!
Neither side has a monopoly on whataboutery.
Thanks for confirming my analysis.
"Fictional crimes"? You can't be serious!
Sky news
reports of rising frustrations in the White House that Israel is not listening to advice or instruction from Washington regarding its operations in Lebanon.
Well nothing will happen above. Rinse repeat. We all know the limited incursion is bs, just like Rafa was labelled the same. It’ll be a full blown invasion.
Their direct interests weren't really being interfered with in Lebanon. it has everything to do with backbone, if you present yourself as a leader of the free world who champions human rights and democracy and the rule of law. Stop engaging in double standards and confront Israel. It could also be argued that their interests are infact being threatened if a wider war break outs between Israel and Iran. Which is why they are likely scrambling behind the scenes to try and prevent a war between Israel and Iran
What about the cost to Israel? You happy to see young men dying?
Perfectly ok. I'm just glad that the severe threat that groups like Hamas, Hezbollah and the Iranian regime are being dealt with.
Hamas have achieved their primary strategic objectives.
You seem to be enjoying all this bloodshed Danzy. Are you ok?
Destroy Hezbollah's operational ability for a sustained period.
Whether they win or can only draw they still have to fight Hezbollah aggressively.
109 countries....and counting
They will lose a lot lot more than 200 in Lebanon and still win, they'll keep going no matter the cost because what choice do they have
What do you mean "win"?
Occupation of Lebanon?
They can't, it was that particular attempted folly that created Hezbollah in the first place.
It certainly isn't a good day for them.
Hezbollah are a proper ground army and highly motivated and full of religious fervour about killing the enemy and martyrdom.
Could it go over a 1000 dead IDF. Yes, readily. If they go to dismantle Hezbollah all the way across the south, that could take months.
It has nothing to do with "backbone". It's strategy. If Israel affects American strategy too much in the region, they'll step in. If not, they won't. And no US President is going to go it alone. The US only stepped in in the 80's because her direct interests were being interfered with and as a nation they'll weigh up the pros and cons and act accordingly.
At present no such situation exists.
Losing 8 special forces soliders in a day is a blow. They won't want be to losing those kind of soliders at that rate too often, because if they do it's going to start to resemble 2006 again. We will see in the coming days if those months of special forces raids start to pay dividend.
Largely fictitious crimes? Are you having a laugh? Bombing hospitals, schools, refugee centres, ambulances, starving the civilian population, refusing to allow sufficient aid in, allowing disease to spread, genocide etc etc etc.
Do Israel even recognise the courts? You really are utterly entrenched and you are too stubborn to change your mind. A little honour please.
Best blinkers money can buy. When you walk away from your keyboard do you tell real people, who know you, the awful things you condone?
Israel stands for Evil
Israel is the biggest bully in the world - killing locals for decades and then looking for sympathy. Their treatment of Palestinians for years is truely shocking , is it any wonder everyone around there hates them
That's a message to the Americans. Iran had to be seen to do something after the killing of Haniyeh in Iran and the killing of Nasrallah and a top Iranian General . Israel would have taken smiliar action if the Iranians had managed to kill senior IDF personnel in an airstrike.
The Iranians don't want a war because they know they can't win a war against Israel. Bibi seems keen on war. He would be less keen if the Iranian military was a match for the IDF
Having your so-called elite unit getting it's ass handed to it in the very first serious firefight of the conflict is pretty significant. And to a group that just lost most of its senior command and vast amounts of equipment, supposedly.
It's also a massive propaganda coup for Hezbollah and a humiliation for the IDF. Which they will feel they have to respond to now, meaning that if they had really only planned some limited raids they will now want to push deeper and with more force.
What about Libya? Is it ok for Israel to fire rockets at them or is it just Israel you don't fire against?
He did it for his own interests of course. He also intervened to stop the IDF in Lebanon twice. On one of the occasions it was to prevent the IDF from bombing a hotel popular with western reporters- i' m sure the IDF were intent on bombing it as a pre emptive self defense measure.
. We saw in the Gaza war Biden failing to intervene to stop the IDF attacking Al jazeera offices. This was but one of many incidents where Bibi humiliated Biden.
I suppose supporters of the Democrats can say Biden's hands were tied because it's an election cycle, but as previously stated Biden is a commited zionist would he have done anything differently post election( I doubt it) It certainly might be in Harris's interest to do something if elected to bring disaffected democratic members back into the fold. Whether she has the backbone to do anything remains to be seen.
iran has a long history of chanting "death to america, death to israel"
iran has a long history of calling for israel's total annihilation and destruction
it has funded its proxies all throughout the middle east and prompted them to target and attack Israel
Iran's religious leaders and revolutionary gaurd are only dying for a war with Israel and the West
There will be very little sympathy when they are over thrown and much rejoicing by the ordinary decent people of Iran
Oh so we are back to whataboutery. The weakest defence of them all.
Isn't "whataboutery" the Left's defence for the genocidal call to eradicate Israel with their chant "From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be Free?" Because that is fairly clear, but leftists like to engage in whataboutery to defend this.
And while we're on the topic, how come the largely fictitious crimes Israel get accused of are taken so much more seriously than actual crimes, such as the removal of Armenians from their ancestral homeland in Nagorno Karabakh? Or the three ongoing actual genocides being carried out by the Chinese (against Uighur Muslims, Tibetans and Inner Mongolians)?
Hezbollah will probably feel exactly the same way. Keep going.
A pre emptive strike against Iran after 200 ballistic missiles were fired by Iran a few days.
8 men dead in a war is not serious, that's a bad event.
They lost 200+ fighting Hamas, a large force but without the experience, training or equipment Hezbollah has.
They will lose a lot lot more than 200 in Lebanon and still win, they'll keep going no matter the cost because what choice do they have.
Any objective analysis shows israel is the state eager for war. They've a long history of attacking Iranian citizens, embassies, scientists and government facilities - both openly through israeli airstrikes, or more discreetly via mossad operations, or just by funding terrorist groups in Iran. Even within the last 12 months they bombed an Iranian embassy and bombed a government building in Iran itself, along with killing numerous Iranian figures. These are all highly aggressive and highly provocative - any single one of them is an act of war.
And lets face it israel is currently fighting in Gaza, Lebanon, Yemen and now wants to open a third front with Iran. They're clearly the ones trying to spark a regional war because they are the ones attacking others throughout the region.
Its very clear israel is trying to provoke Iran as much as is possible, whereas Iran has been incredibly restrained. Too restrained some might say. Iran has a right to defend itself, and the vast majority of the world outside the US, israel and Europe will sympathise with Iran, not israel if israel continues to attempt to provoke a war.
The problem israel has is that Iran has a lot more than 200 missiles. And israel's air defences where overwhelmed in just the first wave. I think its very noticeable that there hasnt been the chest thumping reaction about israeli air defences that was seen in April this time.
They were but it was focused on central Asia, Armenia, Georgia etc later years India became more important.
As an islamic state slavery was permissible, it was abolished in the last century, in the 20s by western power, to great anger.
The Arab slave trade for duration and scale cant be matched .
The political situation is very different though. Reagan merely suspended delivery of jets to Israel because they attacked an ally of theirs, Iraq. The Reagan admin was supporting Saddam Hussain at the time and Israeli attacks on Iraq was a strict no no. Reagan, or more to the point his administration, didn't want to see Iraq weakened in any way as a prolonged conflict between them and Iran was in America's interests. America's move at the time was purely strategic and had nothing to do with any kind of altruism.
At present, Israel isn't attacking any US allies. The US, as a political entity, doesn't give a crap about Palestine. Nor does it really care all that much if Israel weakens Iran. They may not want things to get too out of hand, as in an all out war. But they won't rock the boat too much with regards to their support for Israel.
And I'll say this too, if Reagan was in the middle of a re-election campaign right now and under the same circumstances. He wouldn't say shit either.
We'll see how the US proceeds after the election and what path it will take with regards to its support for Israel.
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