It seems like a Jewish right wing are determined to start a Middle East war and WWIII . Israel is the equivalent of a Fascist state and it’s time to call them out as such .
They say that about Trump. I laugh.
no one is going to jail him,
He will live out a nice cushy retirement surrounded by bodyguards
I think I read that Saddam had been led to believe that the US would support his invasion, when the reality is that they actually encouraged him to invade so they would have an excuse to destroy him.
Iran's attack actually achieved something on the economic front. Things are getting expensive for Israel.
Just on your last piece, I don't think the Afghanistan mandate was a mistake, but making it a war against the Taliban rather than just focusing on the Saudi funded training camps there was.
Instead the US inattention made the Taliban stronger and more resilient.
The blinkers may be a virtual reality headset. That poster may think it's all a game of Call of Duty.
That is wishful thinking. The Nakba didn't work for Israel and only made even more enemies. Israel needs to talk peace, not war if they want to survive and thrive in the region. I know it's neighbours are not great but war after war solves nothing. There can and will be no winners this way.
Seems to be quite a few who are saying "attack Iran and you'll suffer the consequences ". Are they militarily a strong nation?I suspect people are over estimating their ability. If anything it's the opposite. They have been preparing for war with "the Great Satan" since the end of the Iran-Iraq war, building up their industrial base and their military capability ever since. Do you remember a few years ago the case of involuntary US technology transfer to Iran, via Iran taking control of a US drone flying over their territory? Iran had the capacity to do that, took the drone apart, copied and then improved it - and now Iran builds its own drones.
Seems to be quite a few who are saying "attack Iran and you'll suffer the consequences ". Are they militarily a strong nation?
I suspect people are over estimating their ability
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I agree that you're unlikely to see Israeli soldiers come home from Iran in body bags, Israel doesn't have the ability to fight a land war with Iran, or with any organised state for that matter - it's not 1967/1972 any more and other countries have learned from the past. As you say, any contact will be from the air, and Iran has just shown its teeth. I wonder how much more they have? It would be typical if they didn't demonstrate their full range of weapons and capabilities.
Israel will have an unlimited supply of bombs to drop from the US, UK and the west. They have the tech and knowledge to win a war from those kind of attacks, based on what we have seen in the last few weeks, where they have taken out all the top men in Hezbollah without much problem. While Israel might have a good supply chain at the moment, it cannot be sure this will continue. If Iran were to destroy Israel's airfields and airports, those bombs will go nowhere as they won't get into the air, and in fact they may not even arrive in time if they have to be brought in by ship due to runways being plowed up.. As for Israel fighting a war - the only experience they have is in fighting against militias like Hamas and Hezbollah, not against well-equipped armies. Regarding the top men in Hezbollah being taken out, I wonder whether any of it is smoke and mirrors to give Israel the impression that they have been more effective than they really are. In any case, Iran is a lot further away and intervening countries will not allow Israel to overfly. While Israel will likely ignore any prohibitions, you can be sure that if any aircraft can still get into the air they will be tracked from takeoff, and Iran will have fair warning.
Israel will have an unlimited supply of bombs to drop from the US, UK and the west. They have the tech and knowledge to win a war from those kind of attacks, based on what we have seen in the last few weeks, where they have taken out all the top men in Hezbollah without much problem.
It reminds me of the Iraq war when we were told quite often that the US would make a massive mistake by invading and they'd be hammered by the elite Iraqi troops. But they walked all over them with next to no resistance. The elite Iraqi troops were also a bit of a joke, after a decade's sanctions by the US and its allies. Nevertheless, the invasion was a major mistake, as was the US invasion of Afghanistan. The US military didn't come very well out of either adventure, as resistance continued until they left with their tail between their legs. Although the MIC did very nicely out of it thank you very much.
It reminds me of the Iraq war when we were told quite often that the US would make a massive mistake by invading and they'd be hammered by the elite Iraqi troops. But they walked all over them with next to no resistance.
I suspect people are hyping up Irans capabilities. The Paper Dome® didn't seem too effective last night if the videos doing the rounds are anything to go by.
I suspect people are hyping up Irans capabilities.
Perhaps you missed my point about some posters think they're support "vital".
Let us not flame.
The point is Iran did have an impact on defeating the Saudi (US ally) backed ISIS. Warfare is evolving and despite Israel's current strength it does have recruitment issues where now they have to conscript orthodox jews which is actually causing rifts in Bibi's ranks.
It's the same way that the line is trotted out that Israel is facing a continuous existential risk, but then gloating that it is calling Iran/Yemen/Lebanon/etc's obviously weak bluff when it unilaterally attacks them.
You don't launch 180 ballistic missiles at another country in anger after your proxy terrorist group gets crippled and expect no retaliation, and Iran knows this and is content to play the dangerous game.
Well you kind of do, and it underlines the rather silliness of the region.
Iran were allowed a free shot in April in their telegraphed attack.
This attack was inevitable because Iran had to do something to show support for Hezbollah. Israel were fully aware this would happen and expected it.
It's basically all a cock measuring contest until it isn't.
If Israel didn't have absolute Ghouls in charge of it at the moment, everyone would now pull back and a certain level of diplomacy would break out.
But Bibi doesn't want that. It's mental to say, but Iran are the ones showing restraint at the moment.
At the end of day though, no one will or can win and the innocents will just continue to be slaughtered.
Both of those things can be completely true, they are not a contradiction.
Iran probably supplies Russia with certain things important to its war in Ukraine.
Iran is militarily inferior to Israel particularly in long range war.
Where is the contradiction there? Can you point it out?
Kinda missing a large chunk of history there...
It is odd that on another thread you'll have posters saying Iran is crucial to keeping Russia going, and then in this thread it's that Iran can't take on Israel, simultaneously weak and powerful.
Yeah that's exactly what I said. You're not even bothered or interested to find out how many people were killed by those attacks so what do you care about rationale? Irrelevant as you said.
I suppose the destruction, death and injuries in Gaza was proportionate too? Or have you a target in mind there?
The pro genocide supporters are looking increasingly foolish in their selective "arguments" I notice.
I'm not sure what Iran "is". It has it's own internal bloodshed and history of human rights abuses. At the same time it's huge economy and producer.
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So Israel should have responded by a year of constant attacks by Hezbollah with … a sternly worded letter?
Maybe the "dead and maimed children" you refer to should take up their complaints with Hamas and Hezbollah.
When US landed in Iraq they already bought of the army and had support of Kurdish and Shia's who hated Saddam and few other nations around Iraq for logistic support. Iran is different, its a big country with thousands of years of history. Some may hate their leaders but attack on the country can and will unify the country. It will not be like Iraq or Afghanistan. Israel cannot do anything other than sending few drones or planes. US can not afford to do anything with Iran. It will bankrupt them. I don't think US public will support either.
The consequences of the Iraq war is also increased distrust of politicians and a strong suspicion of the motivations for involvement in foreign wars. Four and a half thousand dead US service members based on a lie, on intel provided by a country now intent on involving America in a war with Iran. The US military is experiencing a huge recruitment crisis because most Americans are unwilling to serve and those that are, are unfit to do so due to obesity, mental illness or other conditions. This is one reason given for the need for large numbers of young, healthy migrants. Uncle Sam needs them.
America had its own reasons for being in SE Asia nothing to do with France.
It's whole mindset is to defend itself and it's interests (economy) by projection of force.
For example us navy was established to combat Barbary pirates, Barbary corsairs, Ottoman corsairs, on the Barbary coast. Protect its trade routes
Curious Irish connection to Barbary Pirates.
Bizarre that some people in this thread are so anti-Israel that they'll pull on all sorts of threads rather than just admit the well known fact that Iran is militarily inferior to Israel in long range war.
It's OK to state impartial facts. They can't hurt you and they don't make you pro-Israel. Facts are just facts, they don't take sides.
The numbers of dead and wounded on both sides are irrelevant? That's very convenient. You should tell all the dead and maimed children that "one is either at war or they are not". Those blinkers must be expensive.
The Yanks have been orchestrating slaughter in Iran for generations.
If the hate is visceral anywhere there is usually reasons for that.
While you wouldn't hear it from commentators in the West today but Iran did put boots on the ground and was instrumental in the defeat of ISIS/ISIL. That isn't to give them a free pass on anything, just to point it out to the lads who appear to think it would be a great thing to bomb them back to the stone age as well. You'd be removing yet another (relatively) stable state from that region and adding another unstable one that might not be able to exert beneficial influence.
And no, and anticipating the slow learners out there, I did not say that they exert only or mainly beneficial influence overall, but they did play a large role in defeating those lads!
Not all of them.
It's like how the US kept saying that every wedding party they blow up from the air in Afghanistan was a training camp until they had to admit that their intel was manipulated by local sources.
If Israel states an innocent was a Hamas mastermind they'll still be mourned as a martyr. Israel has made every Palestinian a combatant by treating them as a target.
Iran is not Iraq and the motivations and committment is entirely different. Iranian people genuinely despise the Israeli's and Americans in a viseral way.
Iraq was a dictatorship with very little public support. Iran is not despite outward wishforfullment to the contrary.
Plus Israel is getting the reputation for being a criminal bolthole.
There was hope in the region of a two state solution until Bibi's zionists assassinated Rabin.
It is very short term thinking to think of consequences as being only what can be immediately fired back in the short term.
The US has almost 2m of its own citizens with officially recognised disabilities resulting from their time serving in Iraq/Afghanistan.
thats history innit , funnily enough I was watching a documentary on the origins of the Vietnam war (before my time) but as per Hollywood it generally came across as America standing up to commies but seeing the build up as being the French trying to hold on to an empire post WW2 lol , in black and white watching it it come across as ridiculous where you could say the French were the "bad guys" and the American were dupes at best
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