It seems like a Jewish right wing are determined to start a Middle East war and WWIII . Israel is the equivalent of a Fascist state and it’s time to call them out as such .
"It's not so long ago that the wonderful people of Limerick refused a refugee ship a right to land and forced it back to Europe so that the passengers could be sent to the concentration camps "
Really? I never heard of that incident. Do you have a link with more information?
Possibly not but they can weaken them, and they most certainly are doing that right now.
I came home from England in the 90’s and people were happy about the Briton bombing were Maggie Thatcher was almost killed . It doesn’t make all Irish people guilty . What Isaeal is doing is the same as Interment , attacking people based on religion not actions . Kill loads and you’re bound to get a few of the guilty people is Netanyahus doctrine . Rising Israelis against a ‘ common ‘ enemy. Ie Muslims / Palestinians . He’s no different to any dictator who incited religious tensions for political gain
Christians and Muslims live in Israel as well. Would a Christian or Jew be welcome in West Bank or Gaza? Whatever faults are there with Israel being an apartheid state is not one of them. Our country does have a history of treating the Jewish people poorly i think. Ireland did provide Nazi war criminals with a safe haven after the second world war after all.
How can you live side by side with people who want your death and destruction? How does that work exactly? For all the talk about stealing land West Bank was traditionally Israeli territory as well.
A very disingenuous post that is. The point was that they openly celebrated the 9/11 attacks in New York.
Pretty much all ancient civilisation was invaded defeat kill all men enslave all women and children, almost without exception and native American tribes, universal human behavior as far back as history records.
They defeated both before and both came back stronger and in the case of Hamas inflicted much more damage.
Israel were warned by the US not to make the same mistakes the US made post 9/11 and seems they didn't listen.
Quite possibly years from now we will hear of a massive attack on Israel and it will be a surprise to some, an escalation, a shock etc… but it will be a direct result of what Israel is doing right now. Breeding the new terrorists and recruits. It will buy Israel a few years, a decade, maybe a few etc… but they won't rid the hate until all sides treat each other as humans and not animals.
Israel is actually losing power strategically. Basically their US influence is waning, I would even venture that the US would not back them if a war with Iran were to officially break out due to Israeli agitation.
Politically they are losing support, younger Americans do not favour this endless military aid.
So whatever bombing occurs or militants they kill , it's all tactical, those guys will re spawn, strategically they are losing the world superpower and this aggressiveness is only accelerating that.
Do the Israelis really, truly believe that they can totally get rid of Hamas and Hezbollah?
Delusional.
Drop the IRA/NI/Referendum talk. This thread has nothing to do with that
The Lehi group, sometimes known as the Stern gang, was a violent terrorist cult. It referred to its own members as terrorists, and it described its acts as terrorism. It carried out massacres of Palestinian villages, carried out the first truck bombing and assassinated a UN mediator. Rather infamously, they befriended and then kidnapped two British army NCOs who they hung from trees and booby trapped the bodies. Just to be dicks. While cutting down the bodies, another was injured by the booby traps. Remember, this was the same British army which had liberated the concentration camps 2 years earlier but the level of evil hatred this group had placed no value on it. The publications of the Lehi group blatantly described Arabs as a slave race which summarises the modern israeli attitude to Arabs.
In 1948, the membership of this violent terrorist cult was inducted into the newly formed israeli defence forces. Many of its members were elected to the israeli legislature. Some became journalists. One became prime minister of israel. israel so much celebrated these self described terrorists, and their role in forging israel that in 1980 they introduced a Lehi ribbon as a commemoration of its terrorist activities.
This group - evil as it clearly was - was and is embraced by israel. When we see israel carrying out blatant massacres and terrorist attacks in Gaza and now in Lebanon, its not something new. It is inherently what israel is from its formation until now.
Unless you’re talking about ALL Muslims .
Then you’re right , although the next time you’re in a hospital look out for your doctor / nurse in case they’re trying to kill you for being a westerner
Even assuming that were true for Israel, it's definitely true about America, Canada, Australia and New Zealand - so are they also horrible evil nations where babies and old people deserve to be kidnapped and murdered because their nation is so evil?
And most of south and central America too - do you think Brazilians and Argentinians all deserve a similar fate? What percentage of the Argentinian population is indigenous? It's a couple of percent at most, and probably not much more in Brazil.
'Israel has the right to defend itself' means Israel has the right to slaughter civilians.
Does anybody have the right to defend themselves against Israel?
by that of course you mean the total and unrestrained barbaric rape murder and pillage of every jew in the region followed by the rest of them world wide , not to forget the same for any christen and other sect they happen to run across in the ramage, as was shown on the 7th October when your islamic hero's got free access to its targets , men wemen and children, babes and the elderly , robbed raped and slaughtered like sheep . if you support that sort of action , im very concerned that you are out and about
You could say that about practically every country in the world. The English conquered numerous nations, Portuguese, Spanish, french, Do you think the same way about the above list?
Lots of anti jewish rhetoric here, I'd expect nothing less on this predominantly Irish board. I'm not jewish but if I were I'd expect that living here is like living in 1930s germany.
Israel has the right to defend itself, there are trees in Israel that exist from when the kingdom of israel was conquered by the romans. This is c 2000 years ago, and is older than the islamic religion, let alone those who are descended from the islamic tribes that conquered the area and attempted to kick out the jews between the 11th and 13th century. Or, you know, around the time the brits starting doing that to Ireland too.
I really don't understand the false equivalence Irish people draw between the palestinian ham*s settlers and the Irish struggle for independence.
Israel has never been an honest participant in two state negotiations. It has always been a stalling tactic whilst they pursue their real objective of ethic cleansing and a greater Israel.
The UN, GB and USA had no right to cave to the terrorist campaign of the early Zionist settlers and gift another people's lands to Israel. Jews represented less than 5% of the native population of Palestine
calling all the various Jewish people who settled there, “a violent terrorist cult” is really something.
Here’s a few examples of violence in that general region before ww1
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category%3ARebellions_in_Ottoman_Syria I don’t think it mentions the Druze Christian conflicts. Eg
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1860_civil_conflict_in_Mount_Lebanon_and_Damascus
Plus in the wider region, the gradual establishment of Saudi Arabia was a bloody affair, over the centuries
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Saudi_Arabia
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_conquest_of_Hejaz
I can appreciate your scepticism. But Israel as it currently exists is no longer viable. It is an apartheid state, which has by stealth stolen more Palestinian land than it was granted back in 1948. America is the biggest obstacle to peace. They could have stopped the genocide in Gaza with a phone call. A two state solution won't work because Israel won't let it.
Israel started it all by robbing all the locals lands along with killing a load of the natives .. Israel deserves all it gets and more - horrible evil nation
I love the sentiment but you're deluded if you think a peaceful co-existence will ever happen.
They intend to destroy Hamas as an organisation. If all the top Hamas officers surrendered to the IDF right now, what do you think would happen to them? If it meant the end of Hamas and their genocidal threats against Jews? They would be tried and sent to jail, but they would not be killed, because they would no longer be belligerents in a conflict, unlike (say) Hassan Nasrallah was. You remember him, right? The guy who said "there is no solution to the conflict in this region except with the disappearance of Israel" and called Israel "a cancer that must be eradicated".
Please try not to misrepresent what acually took place in Irish history as a means of justifying Israelis actions. You have shown that you do not really understand the nature of colonial occupation.
We've been told not to discuss it further on these threads. (On the other one, but I assume the logic is the same)
The home rule bill was not independence. They represented a form of devolution within the UK.
Not independance and still a continuation of colonialism.
Exactly at the time I'm referring to. Solomons kingdom was the most widespread of the kings. Even Sheba came to see him . You do know about the sheban inscriptions found during one of the archeological digs of Jerusalem? Probably not .
You mean kill those who would have no hesitation in killing them. I suppose you'd let someone intent on bashing your brains have the opportunity to do it to you.
All a bit off-topic but you're confusing what actually happened with "the only thing that could have happened".
For instance in 1912, Home Rule for the whole country was about to happen, except for the outbreak of war, and had it not been for the Easter Rising, which was widely seen by the British - and indeed by many Irish: remember that the rebels were spat at in the streets of Dublin as they were brought to Kilmainham Gaol - as a stab in the back while they were busy fighting a war, we would likely have had Home Rule with a united Ireland shortly after the war, and thence full independence - all without the horrors of either the War of Independence and likely the Civil War too could have been avoided. The border would certainly have been avoided - even the Unionists didn't want that.
And if we had had Home Rule and then independence for the whole country, we would not only have had a far better economic situation starting out, but the existence of a significant protestant minority in the population would likely have made the whole place a more open, less priest-ridden country than the republic remained for decades.
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