Teaser trailer.
Ah missed it being set in the "lost era". Had just assumed they were picking up where S2 of Discovery left off.
Any solid indication of when S31 is set? I think I read rumors of Rachel Garret being a featured character, placing the show in the “Lost Era” between the TOS Moves and TNG.
I think setting this in the Lost Era is one of the few things the might grab my attention, but even then it’s probably not by enough to get me watching unless I hear later that it was actually a good show.
The clip is from S31 which is set post TOS movies.
Tbf, Discovery is set before the events of TOS so there's some excuse for having Cheron aliens there.
In fairness, last episode of Season 1 of SNW was simply amazing. And I think it's good solid, fun Trek. But that's another thread…. Oh and LD was awesome. (And I've never watched Prodigy)
Other than that, I heartily agree with you above.
I really really REALLY gave Disco the benefit of the doubt. God knows I tried to see the best in it. I STILL really liked their interpretation of Klingons and enjoyed whatshisname in Klingon form. Thought he spoke it as a language rather than unconnected word after word (If you know what I mean). Enjoyed Jason Isaacs up until the reveal. Enjoyed and will be thankful for the introduction of Pike, Spock, Number One ("Una". lol).
But this does NOT look good. S31 were great when used very sparingly. Even by their end in DS9 they were bordering on the edge of too campy. Then…. Well…. I mean I can hear the leather creak. As has been said, Emperoress Georgio (Or whatever) killed billions. Ate sentient aliens etc etc and is so eeeeeeeeeevilllllll that she should have TWO goatees.
I mean, the production values on that latest trailer look amazing. It is movie-level effects etc and lots of wham bam but… eeeeeevvvvviiiilllllll. That was her whole one-dimensional trait. The entire Disco SHOW consisted of one dimensional "characters". Some started out well. Rounded, interesting characters (Jason Isaacs, the doctor/engineer relationship). Before every interesting trait was removed and they went from characters to "characters". Zero depth (Alternate Universe moustache twirler, camp couple who creepily "adopt" adult trans character simply because they are trans). Actually, I take it back. I actually really liked Adira. Thought they were the most human on the show.
At least this is a parody but with S31 be any different?:
Exactly, this is coming from the same slurry pit that Discovery came from. In fact, it appears to encompass the very worst parts of the Discovery style. Expect zero character development, zero depth to the writing and story, and zero substance. It's already about a character I strongly dislike, working for an organisation that the writers made an absolute balls of, so it's off to a very poor start in my books.
I used to watch Discovery just hoping beyond hope that it'd improve, and it never really did. I'm gonna save myself the time on this one.
I've come to accept that "my" Star Trek is TNG, DS9, VOY, and ENT....and that those days are never, ever coming back. Its a shame, but that's how it feels these days. Is it that the audience isn't there for more cerebral Star Trek anymore? Or is it that the studios choose not to make it any more? Who knows.
Yes SNW is good, but when the bar is set so low, is it truly great? Of course Lower Decks is brilliant too (it's a love letter to Trek, but it'll always be a parody to me and I have a hard time accepting any of those characters truly belong in the uniform as portrayed by TNG Picard etc.) Picard was only saved by industrial strength nostalgia in its final season. Prodigy is another good showing, but the hyperbole around it is a bit eye rolling (the recent one stating that S2 may be the best serialised season in the franchises history....i mean cmon.)
So yeah, any hope I may have held has dwindled now do to what I can only call apathy at best. Section 31, if that's the show to change my mind, I'll eject my own warp core.
The thing about trailers is that the art of making good trailers seemed to be lost eons ago. Personally I think it all went to hell when we lost the legendary voice of Don LaFontaine (The "In a world…" guy. He could make anything sound awesome)
The past couple of decades have been rough when it comes to trailers. Some of the movies I really enjoyed happened to have pretty bad trailers and that seems to be pretty universal regardless of the end product.
A trailer will either:
The fact that trailers are usually so very bad at their job means that sometimes a bad trailer might be attached to a good project. So there's a slither of a possibility that a bad Section 31 trailer is somehow attached to a good show.
However since the people who made this show have form for doing a bad job with Trek, I'm inclined to believe that the trailer is showing us the quality we should expect from a Discovery spin-off.
Yeah same, I'm not even gonna bother with it unless it appears to be some bizarre diamond in the rough (it's not, the trailer shows it's as soulless and shallow as Discovery et al.)
Dammit. I hate being right sometimes…
And you wouldn't be too far off.
I just Googled "Charon Star Trek" and all the usual clickbait sci-fi sites are talking about it.
I guess we only assume that everyone on Cheron was killed in their Civil War, and some might have been off planet at the time. However, that does kind of ruin the dramatic punch of "Let that be your Last Battlefield"
(Can already imagine the fluff-pieces for this declaring: "Section 32 Trailer finally solves 50 year old mystery!!")
It's a better put together trailer than last time for sure, and does seem to at least imply that Space-Hitler will have a solid team to work with her. But…I sense from the scenes here that we'd get the same empty caloies we got with Discovery and the low-points of Picard. Flashy Trek-adjacent special effects with superficial character beats that might sound good, but have little else going on.
I could be wrong, but I don't find myself any less dubious about this show or my potential to enjoy it. If people start reporting that it's good, I might watch…but I'm still of the mind of giving this a miss.
Looks the exact same level of sht.
Also (and I know you can find reasons) why do they have a half black half white person when we know their species are dead. Fukin amateur level memberberries.
New trailer out,
Its certainly looks better in that than the Teaser Trailer. Still not very Trek like though.
You have a point
I love her as an actress, but I hate her character in all Disco episodes except the pilot. I cannot sit through alternate-universe Georgeu, practically twirling her moustache every 5 minutes.
Michelle Yeo is generally worth a look. I will do so because of her
I find it funny you quoted a post of mine from 6 weeks ago.
I was being diplomatic because I felt sure if I declared it as terrible, someone would flame me because they liked it.
not terrible…its utter shite and a stain on Star Trek…that section 31 looks to be going the same way.
Thats how I have it in my mind. The only original Trek character in Disco, was Spock, but not our Spock. It was a Spock who spent time in a psychiatric hospital, had a weird looking beard and had a sister. So not our Spock.
None of the events of Disco affect TNG, DS9 etc.
Eh because that Rubbish Discovery is not Star Trek so whatever happened in it has nothing ho do with the Trek Universe. Simples.
It's all set in one of these weird ass varients in my head canon anyway.
It will happen some day and it will ignore everything 32nd century Discovery done.
Simple divergence in the timeline or some time traveller shooting the Buuuuurrrrrnnnn child before he crashes on that planet and all is good.
what is even the point of a show set set around TNG , DS9 time as we know now the federation is practically destroyed in the future so it’s all pointless. I’d be watching it thinking they are wasting their time every episode. They should have reset all that sh*t and made it all an alternate timeline.
I never lliked the direction new trek is taking. Since discovery.
Picard was mainly terrible too bar the last season.
The only exception to this was strange new worlds
While I do like Michelle Yeo I'm not particularly looking forward to section 31.
Im just sick of prequel trek or 1k years in the future trek. Go back to the next generation /Picard time line and move it from there.
I think we'll be rooting for the bad guys to finish off Section31 In this film. Send them to Starbase 80
Ah I could see why you think that then. Lower Decks and SNW were well received by older Trek fans and I was making assumptions based on that.
Section 31 was always going to be Discovery on cocaine given the setting and lead character so not at all surprised how bad it looks.
Have no interest in the cartoons, to be honest. As for SNW, the casting and production values were decent. But it's all for nothing when the writing is dreadful. To quote someone else, "They all sound like excited kids at the mall.'' I gave up after the first couple episodes of the second season. I don't know what the viewing figures are for these shows, but they don't appear to be made for traditional Star Trek fans.
I thought I could see myself watching the S31 tv movie, as it's just a one off feature length thing. But I doubt I'll even manage that after that God awful trailer.
He has been for the most part successful. His job is largely choosing which projects to run with and if needed to put the showrunner in place.
He is bad at the showrunner bit with the likes of Paradise at Discovery and the various people over Picard.
But he also signed off on Prodigy, Lower Decks and SNW. I'm sure though some people will weave some story about how it was done in spite of him or at gunpoint.
More utter wa*k from Kurtzman, by the looks of it. It surely must be nearly over for that guy
I honestly could have written that post. Agree on Tilly and agree on Georgiou. Georgiou from the Pilot I could watch all day. Her alternate universe copy however, just, no.
It's also highly unbelievable that a former Empress would fit into Starfleet long enough to join Section 31. How long would Putin last in MI6 recruitment training? I reckon about 40 minutes before a "Don't you know who I am??"
