They want it seen that the system failed, they know well it was fraud, won't cross their own profession when it comes to it
Don't want it seen system failed
Double figure postives, didn't loose negative health status which meant they could trade normally without restrictions. If anyone can explain that I'd like to know. Seems to be different rules for different people depending who ya know.
It's impossible to take a negative bvd blood sample from a persistently infected animal, yet this magical procedure was done at least six times on the same farm by the same person. Well all be waiting a while for the other side to explain that.
@Nopoints you obviously have first hand knowledge of the situation.. it is a terrible situation. They put their whole business at risk for what in the overall context would be only small money.
I could understand the switch to have a negative blood result thus keeping their negative herd status. But then keeping the animal and selling it for breeding was stupid, foolish & greedy.
Wonder what are they doing since 2023 when retest were done away with...
There always ways of getting a sample to suit, back in the day of scrapie testing there was a breeder in the north who had a sheep that was the correct genotype and it was said when he entered the field the sheep ran over to him and held up his neck to sample, where there’s a will there’s away.
Seem to have less animals for sale than usual, maybe it caught up with em, wouldn't be surprised if they had a way round it. No idea the level of greed, arrogance and carelessness off the manager
Surely if people have suffered loss based on persistently infected animals from someone else's herd there is a legal route that can be taken for any losses incurred. It's black and white with PI's where the virus has come from unlike maybe tb etc
I don't know, call me stupid or innocent but I wouldn't appreciate the alleged details discussed on social media including Boards irrespective if I was the buyer, seller or Vet. Boards never used to let this type of speculation/allegations unless it was published in the mainstream media and I haven't seen that yet.
IMO it's time to shut this thread down.
If there are no specific details mentioned, then I don't see a problem.
MOD:
I'm inclined to agree we're inside the line still. But, Patsy, I've edited one of your posts to remove the county named, as even I can guess at who might be referenced.
I see some value in this thread as an eye opener as to what might be going on but I do think it's beginning to have run It's course.
I'll keep it's status under review.
If there's an undetected pi on a farm what the chances of some or all calves coming pi.
The cows would be exposed to it before breeding, unless it was brought in by a third party animal after breeding.
No . That is not always the case. Knew of a neighbour that had a PI calf back 2013 when the testing started first. The calf’s second test was also positive but the dam was negative. He doesn’t buy in cattle so didn’t know where it came from. He kept the animal until it was fit to kill ( a year and an half later ) and he had no further cases. Not sure how that can be explained. The other question I would have is if there are only a few hundred cases of it now, why hasn’t it burned itself out . We have been testing for ten years . The PI wouldn’t ordinarily be able to be moved and most are killed . It must also have a very small window in which to infect the next generation so why is it still there on any level at this point ?
Has the man on the other side gave any of his story? From reading through this it's seems pretty one sided
To suggest an answer to the first part:
The virus can spread quickly. If it infected all potential breeding animals before they were bred then they would shield their calves. Infection ocurring in the first month of pregnancy will just result in return to oestrus. After ~the fourth month, in most cases the foetus's own immune system can clear it.
In the past, a proposed way of ensuring all heifers were immune before breeding was to run a known PI with them. It didn't always work....
As to why hasn't it burnt out....dunno...except if must be finding enough susceptible hosts. The virus doesn't just spread from PIs, the transient infection healthy animals get may be enough to pass it along till it can cause a PI.
Previously, most animals met the virus early and became immune so there was a good degree of herd immunity, which limited its effects in the herd but even still allowed it to circulate. Now, a lot of herds that were vaccinating are not any longer so there's lots of animal hosts to travel through if it enters, which aid its chances of making a skip to a new location, maybe through human action (trojan heifers, trailers, poor fencing, blah, blah, blah)
That we still have to deal with it is testimant to the resilience of the virus and foibles of human nature.
He'd be a bit shy, after being caught out lying in writing. Tried to claim no animal was tested a second time for bvd,despite 20 being re tested in one go alone.
MOD: We have no names so, with all due respect to the OP and others, for all we know we could be discussing a hypothetical situation; at the very least, a very one sided account. If any names are mentioned in the media at some point then this thread will be closed pretty quick. It seems to me that this story would have hit the headlines already if it was ever going to.
Also, if identities are known, DO NOT post them here!!
Once reputations of identifiable people are at risk, comments here may be libelous and the thread will be closed and probably pulled.
