Thread started to avoid specific gig threads being inundated with comments about this. Please only use this thread to discuss the issues we have seen with Oasis and other events
But it's fairly simple to avoid the impact of a ban on this type of selling.
For concerts where demand is likely to outstrip supply you have various tiers of fixed ticket prices.
X for the first 10K standing tickets sold, 2X for the next 10K etc etc and so on……
For gigs like this one X could have been 150 euro……..
Ultimately, if you have fans willing to pay stupid money for tickets (which is the case for numerous gigs we have seen over the past few summers) and where supply is no where near demand AND where the artist wants to maximise revenue - there isn't much you can do…….
Agree, that anything is done has to be at least pan european otherwise artists will chose to go to countries where its not in effect.
Interested for that... Not sure I've seen one poster claim that they're great or even good yet.
The ability to stay somewhere else is irrelevant. You could argue by that logic that there are other gigs you could go to.
The way I see it is that dynamic pricing is a creation of consumerism and lacks definition as it's a open-ended profiteering strategy.
If you take any hypothetical reasonably popular band who are touring, the vast majority of their gigs are going to be desirable to the average punter and would be reasonably expected to sell out in a short time. A marketing strategy therefore would try match the availability to the demand, but this creates a three-fold opportunity to the gougers such as ticketmaster:
So this absolutely needs to be tackled at a European level and not just an a national level, but the end result should require the separation of Ticketmaster from Live Nation and then also from the resale websites at a minimum.
I remember years ago the government brought in a law to make ticket touting illegal, it's number one objective was fans could not be charged more than the original value of the ticket.
Ticketmaster have just cut out the middleman and are touting the tickets above face value themselves.
Time to see the law applied which is a fine of up to 100k euro or up to two years in prison if you sell tickets for above their face value.
The audacity of these people is disgusting.
Yeah totally - it will short term I guess but come next year? Yeah some will remember and shy away from the Oasis overpriced sho1e merchandise tent but it will still be tempting for many
Some people don't have a choice to stay somewhere other than accommodation
Who is saying ticketmaster are great?
For some reason people think they have no option but to buy something if its there in front of them - that seems to be the issue here.
But you have a choice as well with tickets - buy or don't buy…………..
I’d say the “Ticketmaster are great” Lads from the other thread will arrive soon enough.
dynamic pricing is not illegal. It’s common in dozens of industries particularly hospitality and transport. when you select the flight the price options are displayed similarly when you pick ticket options for oasis. Buyer is fully informed when making purchase decision as to the price. They make purchase with full info. no system can’t easily handle millions of IP addresses trying to gain access and carry out transactions in small window. Glastonbury system barely copes every year. quite simply oasis could never do enough summer shows to meet demand. Supply affects demand and they increased ticket price to reflect the actual market. If 5000 people bought those expensive Croker tickets it’s on them
Hotels are not the same thing! You have a choice to stay elsewhere with them.
I mean not everyone's a cnut.
is this the first thread in the history of boards where we all agree on something?
My god.
https://x.com/PSB_HQ/status/1830312077237403677
I think if a robust push back comes against dynamic pricing, it will be from the EU.
On the face of it, its already highly illegal under EU consumer and competition rules.
I mean any fool could have seen there would be demand for these tickets and indeed any popular act. And so dynamic pricing, as described, is also highly disingenuous.
Comparisons excusing the practice have been made with Air Fares and Hotel Tariffs, but while concert or match demands may certainly affect both, at least when you search Ryanair or Aer Lingus, the price is there in front of you. It does not increase between selecting the flight, or the room and completing the transaction.
If concert promoters want to set their prices, at say 85 for the pitch tickets, or 105, or even 405, then thats what the prices should be advertised as from the beginning, and let consumers make the choice, not have a gun put to their head after hours and hours of waiting.
I think if Ticketmaster is to be probed, then it should also be a systems audit to investigate the queuing process and site capacity, as its clearly disadvantageous to the consumer as things stand.
The alternative, I would suggest in a similar situation as last weekend is fixed price tickets at a higher price point, which if that is what people what is perfect.
It still wont protect consumers from themselves.
we should also require all new hotels not to charge more than €200 a night. dynamic pricing only affected a small number of tickets, in the 5% range if even. tickets to events have always been stratified. And if dynamic banned all that will mean is artists will move dynamic allotment to vip packages for €500 or more
Oasis or any concerts and dynamic pricing=consumer rip off
It does not happen in sport. You can pay a premium equivalent to a VIP package, but imagine the outcry if they tried this with a major soccer event.
Sky News presenters have the bit in their teeth now and I think changes in the UK are inevitable. And that will flow through to Ireland but it may take time. However it may put TM on notice and they could act yo stop it. And to be clear, yes artists have a say, but it it TM who are selling this product to them and they are raking in more fees on the back of it.
I have picked up a ticket in France for Paul McCartney without any suggestion of dynamic pricing. It was the same for the Who last year. That may be down to local legislation or the fact TM have no monopoly.
A possible solution would be to reform the licence process for these big acts to include clear pricing limits per category of ticket in the licence.
The reform shall include a stipulation that event licence must to be applied for in advance of any tickets going on sale.
Promotor makes application for event for x number of people. They include breakdown x number of tickets at certain price points within the venue. They could do this easily.
Alternatively, just state in the licence that dynamic pricing of tickets is not permitted.
A concert licence clearly needs to come with commercial guidelines and restrictions to protect fans from what happened on Saturday last.
Unlikely. The average price of tickets is likely around 275-300 mark. Single fixed sitting and standing prices would have cost Oasis at least €100 a head. No way would you have every attendee spending that much on merch if the ticket prices were lower. Instead, touts would have pocketed the difference.
The only thing it's cost them is people now consider them greedy and out of touch with their roots. What that's actually worth remains to be seen as it hasn't harmed the likes of Springsteen in the long term.
You're spot on. Ticketmaster will just say "Standing Tickets €170 - €500 (subject to demand)".
It won't happen though. Nothing will come of this in the short-medium term.
And even if somehow Dynamic Pricing is removed, ticket prices will just go up anyway to account for it.
They could probably legislate that ticket prices have to be announced the day before and no changes can be made. The way around that I suppose is any gigs that are a guaranteed to sell out the cheapest ticket will €200+
Agree .
Bad feeling after this would not make you inclined to spend anything more on them , their music or their merch .
Think they won't care as probably not going to play again .
US has taken Live Nation to court over this this year so as @Beasty said could be the beginning of the end for dynamic pricing if other countries follow suit .
But not going to help us with Oasis tickets unfortunately .
Don't need to hear politicians whinging about it, when they're the ones who can put stop to it it with regulation.
Thankfully, I've never been stung by it, as I only attend gigs by uber cool/obscure small acts 😉
With all the bad press Oasis has had over this, it's become very clear of the bands mindset.
It's obviously all been done to gain a large income but if they had fixed the prices they would probably have made more money.
People feeling good about the band might have started to buy more Oasis albums, merchandise etc.
Now, I'm not so sure. Plenty of peeved off people out there.
How does this work in practice?
Do they still have tickets for €400+ for them gigs on sale or did they never got above the FROM price advertised? Dynamic pricing can go up and down but all companies have a base price it won't drop below.
It is the Bands getting there own back on the ticket touts and to a certain extent the music buying public many of whom have been downloading music for free for years.
I guess putting up a gig for sale with tickets priced at 100 and then seeing touts selling them on for multiples of that price sickened the promoters and bands and dynamic pricing is there solution to that problem.
So the bands are trying to get back the money they feel is being stolen from them on an ongoing basis.
I don't agree with it though, because most people are law abiding and as usual the majority are paying for the minorities actions.
