I read the following article this morning. "From August, bus gates will be in operation on Bachelors Walk and Aston Quay in order to restrict drivers from travelling through the city centre."
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/major-changes-to-dublin-city-traffic-to-come-into-effect-in-august-1610937.html
The quays have always been a pain in the a$$ to use, no matter the time of day… So, how will this effect people?
It's a disaster. O'Connell Street is even busier for buses than the Quays and yet that's where they've sent the cars. Why didn't they stick to the original plan and sent the cars up Jervis Street.
The kind of person who demands to speak to the manager.
What that has to do with bus gates on the quays, who knows.
Pardon my ignorance but who or what is a ‘Karen’?
Anyway, sure I'll walk by Arnotts at the weekend to see how the car park is keeping the city in the black. Good luck.
You repeatedly made the claim. Prove it?
What percentge is it then?
They don't. And you have nothing to back up your repeated claim. Do better.
It was on a radio show so no links unfortunatley. The general point was that car drivers spend the most of all shoppers, per capita.
Although they represent a relativley small percentage of shoppers by headcount, they still account for around 25% of retail spend on average, but in some stores they can contribute as much as 40% of total spend.
It was on an RTE radio show on monday morning. I dont recall the name of the lady giving the stats, unfortunatley.
I drove down OCS today, but I wouldn’t like to be relying on a bus heading up. From Princes Street right up to the Ambassador was jammed both lanes.
I've seen multiple people say they can get from Burgh to Aston Quay by using the left turn to Fleet St from Westmoreland… that's also an illegal turn (as per: https://www.dublincity.ie/residential/transportation/city-centre-transport-plan-2023). You might as well just drive straight through, it's the same offence
We’d very rarely drive into Arnotts, but on two Saturday over the past 18 months we’ve had to park on the top level in the open, it was that full. Thankfully we never need to drive up Aston quay or along Bachelor’s walk. It’ll be interesting to see how well the restrictions are enforced.
This was funny but then you over egged the junkie angle, junkies are pretty scarce in reality. And it's the personality-less suburban shoppers who would waste 2 hours of their life driving around dcc looking for parking ha, jokes on you. And you done yourself a disservice by defaulting to 'woke' for stuff you don't like
Was wondering how long it would be before the wokies got the blame!
This thread has officially jumped the shark 😁
What?
Roaring kids in bland chain stores? How about roaring junkies on the main shopping streets in the CC. How about said junkies having a ride in broad daylight on a Georgian house doorstep? I only go to DCC if I have to. It's not exactly a nice place to be. A few failing high end restaurants and old buildings won't change that.
Karens are everywhere, especially in the CC. More easily avoided in those bland chain stores people seem to go to in suburbia, because apparently there aren't any chain stores in the CC. Definitely no TK Maxx in the ilac centre
in the ilac centre
One could take the bus to these soul-less abominations outside the spaghetti-loop which is DCC, but why do that when one can take their private mode of transport at their convenience and park in a location where they aren't raped by the parking meter after spending an hour or two driving around half the CC twice because every other road is closed off, jammed with parked buses, or is one way to discourage car use in the CC. Business will surely thrive!
Please, by all means, jump on that that bus when it eventually shows up and takes an hour to bring you to within a couple of miles from where you plan to go after suffering the smell of BO from some people who don't know how to wash themselves and the scummers who freely smoke weed at the back of the bus. Then haul your purchases back to the bus stop where you won't be harrassed by junkies asking for bus fare and cigarettes while you struggle to get feeling back into your arms.
Not a bus person? You could take the Luas (unless you live on the Northside of course)….it shows up on time most of the time and has the wonderful benefit of the cities biggest scumbags loudly interacting with passengers trying desperately to ignore them. You might even be entertained by said scummers attacking innocent passengers, security, or maybe even themselves. For this, they get free transport on the Luas…unofficially 😉.
Maybe you prefer to cycle to the CC? Yeah, pop into your specialist, unbranded grocery store and your independent book shop with all the character and atmosphere of a wet newspaper. Then you can load up your saddle bags with avacados and organic rice and stuff your pockets and spandex to the brim with a few copies of 90% discounted pre-owned copies of Susan Neiman's "Left Is Not Woke" Books to share with your readers club on a riveting Saturday night. But sure, I'll bring my costa coffee into the odeon to watch my hollywood flick while you do you 😂.
Someone's a serious-susan today. Just to clarify I'm not trying to convince anyone to do anything and public transport, in Dublin at least, is far from expensive. You're also much more likely to pick up a few grams from your local dealer in blanch or liffey valley than you are more centrally but OK 👍
Anyone willing to kick the tyres here to see if cars are more valuable in the city than peds?
Average spend on the lad buying a couch in Arnotts vs… the rest of the city.
The smug arrogance and delusions of how funny you are - what a great way to convince anyone to maybe even try the alternative!
Public transport is slow, expensive, uncomfortable and full of antisocial elements in the city centre and certain routes. It's already a struggle to convince anyone to willingly give up the car as it is without immature nonsense like the above. Not to mention the drug dealing junkie haven that is the city centre area generally that the Gardai seem either unable or unwilling to deal with.
By all means enjoy the "ambiance" though!
See, not that funny really is it? How about we see whether the actual results of the changes make any real difference before attacking those making perfectly valid points about the existing situation.
That bus stop used to be one of two on Lower O’Connell Street between Abbey St and Eden Quay.
Some genius decided years ago it was better to install a 100m cycle lane there instead, and the result was to dump waiting bus passengers out onto a completely unprotected windswept bridge.
It remains a disgraceful situation.
Is that earlier pic really from 1970 though? I thought it was only in the mid 80s that clearance of Stephen's Green West and South King Street buildings began for the shopping centre. Hard to believe they languished like that for 2 decades...
Were the images taken at the same time of the day?
Suburban shopping centres are one of the circles of hell, not just in M50-land but all over the world. Roaring kids, karens, cars and bland chain stores. All of that also exists in the city centre but in greatly reduced volumes and in the open air as opposed to a confined space and mixed with other things like dining, residential, office work etc.
But there are the personslity-less among us that swear by them. You do you hun,treat yourself to a Costa and get the racks in tk maxx. You might even catch some generic Hollywood Flick at an odeon or something.
"who have a higher spend on average than all other shoppers"
"But according to an analyst this week they are responsible for 25% of the spend on average in the city centre and in some stores up to 40%."
Sorry, but that seems very unlikely. Or maybe just poorly phrased. Any links?
92k peds on Aston Quay alone on New Years day.
You sound like a car park lobby group's wet dream…
stay free…or whatever
Will be interesting to see how this impacts the city. I almost never go to DC anymore. Maybe 4-5 times a year. It's too awkward to drive to and I hate public transport. I never used it as a through-route unless I was stopping there along the way for some reason.
I now go to the likes of Swords, or Blanch. Free, or nearly free parking depending on how long you stay in Swords Pavilions. Much easier to get to and from. Not quite the DC experience, but the pros far outweigh the cons.
The 2022 image looks to be from Google Maps 3D image montage, I don't think it is a "real" image as such and I think it purposely removes people!
I notice in 1970 there were loads of people walking around. I don’t see anyone in the 2022 image. Maybe the buses weren’t running that day to bring people to the city.
Did the purveyor of those "stats on RTE yesterday" have any views on whether traffic should be allowed back into Grafton and Henry Streets? I understand they were expecting a retailing apocalypse when those plans were first proposed.
Yeah, such a pity they couldn't finish the works on O'Connell Bridge at the same time as these changes. I still think the bus stop on O'Connell Bridge is a disaster too.
