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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,366 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    It's a popular thread. Boards wants people to use it. You do understand that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,549 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Proof is requested then provided but then it's not the correct type of proof and then the discussion is shut down.

    Some of the claims made by people on this thread over the years that are based on nothing but their own opinions is mind boggling yet the same people are here demanding that verifiable facts are required to meet their standards of debate, the same people engage in the same behaviour mentioned above (not the correct type of proof being provided) and then they wonder why people aren't falling over themselves to do things the way they want them done.

    This site has had years of being dicked around by these users, taking things others have said out of context, inserting narratives into discussions that have no place there, gaslighting, posting ad homenim crap to bait people into pointless arguments that derail threads and drive users away from the site.

    Here they are in feedback, first of all demanding that opinions they don't like be removed by banning people they don't agree with then when that isn't actioned they demand those people be held to a higher standard than they hold themselves to.

    None of this is feedback, it's bellyaching and whinging. For every post on this thread with a good feedback suggestion there's a page of bickering and waffle.

    The fact that nobody is owed a reply has been pointed out over and over, unless someone is posting with the intention of being a nuisance we all just have to accept that our requests or demands can fall on deaf ears and there's nothing we can do about it.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,991 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    It's a popular thread due to the nature of how you started it. You do understand that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,366 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Yes. People are chatting about it. Boards needs users to survive and thrive. Are you that sensitive you want to see a rather tame thread closed down?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,991 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    Not sensitive at all but thanks for asking. I do not enjoy watching fake news being promoted on this site and as part of this feedback thread it's what is not helping the site.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,139 ✭✭✭✭anewme




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,366 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Nothing of the sort. It's an Irish site which gets Irish people talking when big things happen here. The refugee fire issue is going on for months and months. Nothing fake about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,139 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    Why are you saying it is an IPAS site, with absolutely no confirmation.

    You need to take ownership for spreading fake news here.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 20,612 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    RTE updated their article,

    Shannon Homes Dublin had plans to demolish it and build a large residential development at Taylor's Lane in Ballyboden.

    The company is looking to construct more than 400 apartments on the site.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/dublin/2024/0820/1465935-dublin-fire/

    It looks like local rumours and conjecture about the site being used for IPAS accommodation prompted arson.

    ETA - that thread should be updated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,991 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    "The refugee fire issue is going on for months and months."

    Not helped by people spreading fake news across social media platforms.

    Again feedback, a thread started like that tonight is just dangerous and should not be allowed on this site in the way it was presented.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    What part of you falsely claiming this was an IPA centre don't you get?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,031 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    The games forum could do with a reboot alright, maybe a game, a werewolf game, the vanilla boards werewolf game, mods as wolves 😁 all play anon



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,649 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    delete



  • Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The main thing I am getting from this thread is some people want safe spaces for opinions mascerading as facts.

    No.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,375 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    And to be able to spread scurrilous rumours, rumours which could have consequences for people in Ireland, by linking to a garbage Twitter account or some other unreliable source online rather than any sort of reputable news organisation.

    These can lead to defamatory remarks being made on the threads.

    If boards don't have the mods to "fact check" or subject these to some sort of basic oversight, only a matter of time before it hits some legal trouble.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,817 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    Mod factchecking sounds beyond reach but, maybe, users can report something they’ve factchecked, themselves, and “show their work” when they do?

    EmmetSpiceland: Oft imitated but never bettered.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,002 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Yes anyone who gets outraged at having to provide a source/link for outlandish claims are just stirring/trolling. That should never be allowed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,375 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Yes and also clearer standards for sources. I don't mean the mods should spend time themselves doing detailed fact checking as such, but if they see a post, or are looking at a report, they can quickly see what the supporting source is, or if there is one. Basic oversight.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,597 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I agree with both of these points.

    On the factchecking, there's no way that mods are going to have time for that. Usually, anyone spreading misinformation or disinformation is going to be posting in a toxic manner anyway so they'll usually end up spouting overt racism, hate, or just abuse other posters when their ideology gets questioned.

    As a mod, it's incredibly tedious here the same people bleat about bias upon every inconvenience or any decision they don't like. I remember one poster in Politics who just couldn't stay civil respond to an infraction with assurances that they were a Clinton supporter, as if that mattered.

    The second you propose banning fake news outlets like GB News or gript, you'll have the same people spouting the same nonsense again and nothing will change.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,549 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Looking through your posting history and there's a lot of opinions masquerading as facts. You just post them in threads where lots of people agree with you.

    Perhaps consider getting your own house in order before you start launching an offensive against others.

    Glazers Out!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Fine but aren't you missing a salient point. Who gets to decide whether the moon is made of cheese or not??

    I can think of several threads here where your analogy about Group A & cheese holds but those continually voicing this are allowed to carry on infinitum it seems. Where Group B challenges the idea and are run off.

    So what happens in these instances is that the moderator(s) decide that Group As theory re is correct and aligns with this. There's your problem.

    Another analogy might be a referee in rugby who decides early days that Scrum A has the better of Scrum B and awards scrum penalties continually against Scrum B. But analysis from other refs observing the game and close up video shows in fact that Scrum A are scrummaging illegally and codding the referee.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    I'm not sure you that we can accept reporting from RTE on such matters to be wholly accurate. It's very noticeable in relation to these issues that they shape their reporting to align with government policy. By reporting some stories or angles on them and ignoring other stories/ angles. So perhaps one should suspend one's judgment for the moment. Therein lies the problem of fact checking. One persons fact is anothers fiction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,375 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    "A lie will fly around the whole world while the truth is getting its boots on."

    While RTE reporting may not be wholly accurate, and any news org can show bias in what stories they choose to report on, RTE has to adhere to legal standards etc

    There's no serious comparison between the type of scurrilous rumours, lies and drivel being peddled on random Twitter accounts and the content on RTE.

    Suspending one's judgment would mean allowing all sorts of scurrilous rumours to be peddled.
    Very often it will send thread down rat holes unnecessarily, may lead to legally dodgy posts.
    This is a discussion site, there's nothing to be gained from 'jumping the gun' on such matters.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,816 ✭✭✭TheChrisD


    The relatively free-form nature of forum thread OPs is probably what doesn't help.

    I presume there isn't a system available in Vanilla to require all OPs in certain forums to follow a specific template for submission? Y'know, like the content controls and AutoMod we have on Reddit.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 20,612 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    Then surely it could be refuted with an alternative source?

    At the time I posted a thread here stated as fact that it was a proposed site for IPAS accommodation, there was no link or source to verify this. RTE said the owner was trying to get planning permission for apartments, a poster on the thread said the same. If that's incorrect can it be verified?

    There are often local rumours about empty buildings, I've seen local representatives refute these on social media and local sites. It is possible this fire was started on the basis of incorrect motives.

    The thread could still discuss the impact of all of this but correct any misleading claims.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    That's not quite what I said or meant to say. Which is that when a story or an account is published on either social media like boards or RTE, I think neither can be considered definitive versions. One of the great advantages of social media is 'citizen journalism' the view from the ground. That can of course be skewed or fabricated but often also is of direct relevance. That's the nature of it. The state broadcaster may be held to higher legal standards but that doesn't stop them shaping their stories likewise. The nub of all this is of course is just what is 'misinformation' and 'disinformation' - that depends on who you ask and comes back to AWECs analogy re cheese. Just who decides what is 'correct'. Perhaps the wise citizen should draw their news from multiple sources inc people they talk to everyday and then draw their own conclusions. Which feeds back into just how boards thread on contentious issues are moderated. How do the moderators decide what is 'misinformation' and 'disinformation' - through their own biases.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,549 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    There is a notion being put forth here that one cohort of posters are providing facts while everyone else is dealing in opinions.

    Facts aren't a commodity that anyone has a monopoly on, particularly when the people demanding proof refuse to entertain anything presented to them.

    I got a thread ban a few months back for countering the preposterous notion that Jesus Christ was a Socialist. You were on that thread ridiculing me for pointing out demonstrable facts such the fact that Socialism didn't exist two thousand years ago, or that Jesus may not have even existed.

    It seems that facts are a tool some people are happy to fall back on only when it suits them.

    The pseudo intellectual grandstanding that has been posted to this thread by some users over the last couple of days demanding facts be presented to satisfy them is nauseating to read, the absolute hypocrisy and hubris displayed seemingly utterly lost on those posting it.

    Everyone has a part to play in improving standards of posting, myself included, I can accept I haven't always behaved appropriately, but it seems to me that a lot of others see absolutely nothing wrong with their own behaviour, and until that changes nothing will improve.

    Glazers Out!



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The planning permission being sought for 402 apartments is a verifiable fact. The site is currently the subject of a High Court judicial review due to a community group objecting to the plans. Whereas your take on RTE is an opinion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,560 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    "Citizen journalism" in the form it exists in Ireland amounts to basically doesn't fact check. They make claims or harass people on the street but asking for sources to backup their claims amounts to a personal attack in their fan's eyes. Any examples of such individuals being cited tends to be some "Irish patriot" making up ****.

    Post edited by eightieschewbaccy on


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,597 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    No, there isn't. Given your repeated abusive behaviour towards me, it would in fairness be rather foolish of me to just believe you when it's clear that what you're alleging here is objectively untrue.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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