.. thread is back
I'll e-mail them but am not expecting much.
Brought a small bag of cans with me on my walk back to work. 2 machines on the way, both not working. Cans went in the nearest waste bin as I'm not dragging that sh*t around the office this afternoon. There's another 3 quid gone to the lads.
Fanta in Home Bargains NI stores now within Re-Turn. Free 25c deposit refund at RVMs.
Is that not fly-tipping? Not trying to be smart, serious question.
Fly tipping is when you dump stuff along the side of the road/street, in a field, etc. This poster put the bottles in a bin.
Throwing them in a bin? No, definitely not.
You cant put household waste in a public bin. Fly tipping might not be the correct term for it.
Public bin. No household waste allowed.
But is it household waste? If I am in the office and I buy a bottle of coke in shop next door and rather that lumping the empty bottle home I just chuck it in the bin, are you saying that is considered household waste?
No, I am not saying anything. Thats why it was a question.
If you bought the bottle from the shop and put it in a public bin, thats fine. But bringing a bag of items from your home and putting them in a public bin may be considered a different thing. Technically the bag is household waste.
It stopped being household waste when it was taken out of the house to be put in the Return bin.
If the poster had left the bags at the busted machine, for proper return when operational, someone claiming the deposit - somebody would pop along with drivel, accusing them of littering.
So they disposed of the items as best they could, even though it was contrary to the whole idea of the Re-turn scheme.
Just another example of the absurdity of this scheme.
Household waste is the waste your household generates that normally goes into your black bin at home. So that could be anything from dead bulbs to nappies, potato peelings, the contents of your bathroom bin. The particularly yucky or dangerous stuff. You know whats in it, you put it in your black bin at home, no human touches it again.
They dont want people putting household waste into public bins because public bins are emptied by hand.
Cans and bottles are not household waste.
I might just turn myself in before the fuzz come knocking.
Quangos or not for profits are not necessarily better or worse than each other they both have their place.
As far as Re-turn goes I think the current set up suits the job in hand.
It is self financing and not receiving state funding.
As I said to you in a previous post do you really want competition in the case of DRS in a small country like Ireland?
How would it work ? Would there be real competition or just two different sets of trucks going around taking recyclables to two different yards.
The consumer would still pay 15/25 cent deposit and collect on return.
There are many examples of corporate entities, state bodies and individuals abusing their positions but that's not a reason to shy away from using certain structures.
And as I asked you in the last post and you had no answer to, what areas do you favour monopolies in? And if you don't broadly favour them, why are monopolies in general to be discouraged? There are legitimate concerns about any monopoly, they must be the exception.
I think a state sanctioned monopoly should be subject to far higher scrutiny than a typical "not for profit", precisely because they've been given such a monopoly. Unlike other "not for profits", you are obliged to engage with them. They should not be able to rely on hiding behind 'commercial sensitivities'. They are a monopoly. There's no commercial sensitivities.
I don't know what that body looks like, but it should be a body under far more scrutiny than a typical not for profit.
"Not for profit" is not a shield from scrutiny or criticism, it can be abused as you point out. There can be financial moral hazards for those running them. I point this out because there is an implication in many posts on this thread by different posters citing "not for profit" as implying the motives of those engaged is above reproach, as is its financial operation. That is not the case.
Haha. Sorry Deebles, I wasnt trying to have a pop at you. It was a genuine question.
"But ReScam is a Not for Profit".
GLAAD or the Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation is a US based Not-for-profit. They have an operating budget of $30 million, so not dissimilar to ReScams set up cost.
In 2023 their CEO was earning a low 7-figure sum, but the NFP also paid for a skiing trip for her, first class flights, stays at the Waldorf Astoria, a Cape Cod rental property and 20,000 to remodel her home office.
But don't worry, ReScam is a Not For Profit and will obviously be sensible with money.
I just told you I favour the monopoly structure for Re-turn.
I listed several checks and balances that are currently in place in a post yesterday.
Obviously I don't think monopolies should be used in all cases.
Any extra scrutiny the Government decides is necessary should be put in place.
Of course being a not for profit doesn't give a free pass for wrongdoing.
It's a prosecutable offence to bring a bag of anything from your house and dump it in a public litter bin.
https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/environment/waste-and-recycling/littering-and-dumping/#:~:text=It%20is%20an%20offence%20to,garden%20or%20home%20is%20illegal.
The linked article doesn't state that though.
All it says is: "It is an offence to put your household waste in street litter bins."
You appear to be inserting your own (unsupported) assumptions.
Yes, i did. I contacted them on social media and asked what the plan was, i have reason to have genuine interest in this element.
Their first response was that they were working hard with local groups and disability groups to find solutions.
I then asked what people who cannot use the machines are supposed to do in the meantime as they are losing money. In response they told me to contact a disability group (i think disability federation of ireland, but could be wrong) and that they would provide updates.
They shirked responsibility entirely.
And remember that while they apparently never thought about this during the public consultation, they did expect somebody else (soda police) to monitor shop stock compliance on their behalf.
They lose money? People will come round your shop and fine you. Thats been planned.
Marginalized groups lose money? Thats their problem. Who cares.
The Gospel according to Elperello.
We are already have two sets of lorries going around collecting recyclables. ReTurn gets you to sort, clean, and deliver your designated waste to a collection point while the kerbside collector is now collecting a bin minus the valuable aluminium and you are, or will be paying a higher fee because ReTurn has siphoned off the valuables and has gotten your free labour!
Check your receipts, looks like in Tesco yesterday my €4.80 “DRS” receipt was added not deducted from my shopping bill, will be contacting them
And when you stand up in court you can say that the stuff you shoved in a litter bin was not waste.
See you there 😊
Are you saying one cannot put "waste" in a litter bin? Sounds like a mega court case which must legally decide what is waste?
Yes you do have bin lorries because they have a lot more to collect than cans/bottles and do an essential service.
Then you have the Re-turn trucks because they collect the cans /bottle which service is essential to get us to the 90% target.
The question posed was do you want a Re-turn mark 2 doing the same job or is one enough ?
I'm saying you can't bring a bag of stuff from your house and shove it in street litter bins, full stop.
If anyone is going to challenge that in court they face a bumpy legal ride.
We have a ReTurn doing the same job now! With free labour!
