Of course they want to wait. Perhaps they add few more months to that deadline since they get to keep deposit for 2.000.000 containers a day…
Out of 5M sold and 3M returned they are looking at nice bonuses.
Not only that.
You are essentially lending your own money to a company which does not pay you any interest. They are forcing you to tie in certain amount for the time you return containers while they are free to use them as they please. While it is a small amount you should multiply that by numbers of containers and you will see that said company is getting interest free investment in tens of milions if not more...
We need the bins they have in Germany, with bottle holders for people to place the bottles in & that are external to the bin itself and are clearly visible.
This allows people to take the bottles, without having to rummage through the bin itself and leave a mess behind.
We probably wont get them for years though.
When you look closer and ponder a bit about what you see you will see one of the bins still opened. Green enterprenuers are taking bags out of a bins and after searching for the gold they leave a mess behind.
The real culprit is idiotic scheme which alienated people to the point they dont bother and toss returnable containers in a bin.
Stall the digger. Talking about "the next step" - when the outcome of this step won't be known at best until July 2025 and any changes to the scheme wont be in place for months after that with another review in 2026 most likely……who really knows - while all the while the coffers of re-turn continue to swell so that they can peddle the nonsense that they are peddling to us currently.
Still nothing in place for people who are house bound, shop from home or who have mobility issues - despite promises that these would all be looked at……..retailers and drinks companies increasing the base prices of the product, increasing the cost per unit costs for consumers, bin companies hiking figures, no where near 90 percent being collected, people destroying bins, littering, looking for these items, issues at air/sea ports, machines not reliable.
It's august - this started in Feb with apparantly massive research done into how "best practices" were elsewhere and apparantly a massive public consultation process.
But lookit, it will be alright next July.
So no changes to the scheme till next July at the earliest?
What about all of that money and time that went into preparing the scheme? Completely pointless by the looks of it. Lets just run a 1 year pilot scheme - which is essentially now what this current period is - do you agree?
I don't know why you are giving them an out - and continue to do so. Surely you can see that they have ZERO chance of getting near 90 percent collection rate by July next year. ZERO.
But no, lets drag it out, continue to p1ss people off, contine to LOSE people who would have used their recycle bin religiously prior to this scheme and continue to stick the head in the sand about how much of a scam this is!
There is a price increase. Its been outlined numerous times.
Ask any accountant, they will probably explain it more clearly.
Are people getting foked up hauling cans n bottles to these machines yet when ya have a perfectly good green bin 2m from your back door and paying increased cost for said service but can't use it to recycle said such materials due to more costs. Hilarious ,and getting grief in certain return trips. All good aint it. Ingenious plan 🤣for profit
Nope, thats wrong. But your first sentence is correct.
If the full price of product (containers + contents) was 6 euro, any increase in the product price above 6 euro is a price increase.
You said it yourself, before the DRS, 6 euro got you the contents + the containers.
If the new DRS price is 6.60 and you do return your containers, your 6 euro now only paid for the contents.
6 euro for contents + containers (Product) > 6 euro for contents only.
How can it be a price increase if there's no price increase if you follow the deposit return process?
Honestly, this is really basic primary school stuff, you're fighting with a cloud and losing.
Excuse me, not sure what you are referring to?
You can make your point without the BS FFS nonsense.
You mention it is vague enough where it will be recycled. Load of bs, they harp on about collection rates yet rarely mention recycle rates and where. We incinerate 70% of plastics, what % is PET bottles I have not been able to find out. But it would piss me off if I pay a deposit, clean and sort the bottle, and then return it, to find out it has been put in the fire ffs!
Germany tried very hard to get people to adopt re-usable containers. But that met too much resistance, so they went for the machines and the deposit. I think they do about 17 billion a year. The claim is that keeping PET and aliminium out of the general recycling has great advantages when it comes to making new cans and bottles out of the material.
The industry is never going to set up a dedicated re-usable model just for the Irish drinks market. It is vague enough about where our stuff will be processed, but if it is abroad for the time being it will still be in the separated stream. The next item up from the Circular Economy legislation could be a charge on those paper coffee cups and similar. That should make you more optimistic.
Well said. As I have posted before, I am very pro recycling, doing it since early 80's, very Green but not necessarily of the party, hope to leave mother earth in a better place for my children and grandchildren. This scheme in my opinion does nothing but increase costs for people like me, pisses of people to no end and does little to address the problems, and seems to be set up to absolve politicians of any blame to reach RECYCLING targets NOT collection targets.
We are a small economy/island and may never get the recycling plants we need, but let's not pretend.
Many questions via numerous studies cast doubt on the whole Plastic recycling scenario, where perhaps we should be working on the reduction in plastics manufactured as opposed to the recycling.
I cannot imagine that ReTurn, with the composition of the board ever even discussing using less plastics in their products because it would likely come with increased costs and decreased profits.
My optimism for a greener Ireland is suffering.
This is how the Re-Turn people explain it. You can make up your own stats in the meantime.
Return rates
The Irish Scheme began on 1 February 2024. Retailers are still phasing out non-logo and non-deposit drinks containers on shelves until the end of the transition period, 31 May 2024. Therefore, Ireland will not have a full year of the scheme in action until 1 June 2025 to assess more accurate return metrics.
The assumption of an equal number of containers sold daily throughout the year, 5 million per day, doesn’t align with the actual sales pattern of drink containers. Peak periods, such as Christmas and the summer months, significantly impact sales. Additionally, this method fails to consider the volume of non-deposit stock sold by retailers during the transition period until 31 May 2024.
What you are talking about has nothing to do with Re-turn products.
You'll have to do a helluva lot better than "It has something to do with Brexit I think" because it is obvious you don't know what you're talking about but somehow still feel the need to defend Re-turn.
Your answer makes no sense. Smoke and mirrors whenever real questions are asked of Re-turn.
Re-turn have budgeted for 90% of items being returned. So how can they ever claim that funding? How could they have ever come up with that figure?
How many items are being sold with deposits?
How many items are being returned?
Simple figures.
Of course they can come up with figures and percentages of total ins and outs.
No Asda in Newry.
They said it was to avoid confusion with the daily average of sales. Something like 5 million. But that is not equal over the months, with Christmas being a marked outlier. One year will iron out that.
heard they're checking proof of residency in Asda now alright
It has something to do with Brexit I think.
But this is patently BS. You and others like you state that there are issues with the scheme and that the scheme will be improved because it's never been done anywhere else on the world before.
Fair enough.
But then you give Re Turn an absolute out when you say they are dead right to wait until next July to see where things are at.
How are they expected or supposed to make changes when they aren't going to review anything till next July?
I work with lots of people who dont know that this thread exists who are equally as disillusioned as many on here. Surely you know a few as well? Granted it's nots a riveting conversation but ask a few people you know from various environments what they think of the scheme?
Vague nonsense. "A lot of stuff". A lot of stuff like what and how is that enforced in practice?
There are some shops in Cooley. There are no real supermarkets because they shop in Newry.
Are you seriously going to pretend that NIRMS is going to in practice impact people from the Republic going up to buy cans of coke?
There's posters on the thread who've bought soft drinks there, no issue.
Oh come on-can't be sold to EU citizens? What ye smoking? Lived in Dundalk and have a son there now. They asking for ID or passports in Newry or Jonesborough? WTF
Along the lines of your question about how many items have been recycled I'm starting to think this scheme is being sold to us is greenwashing.
As an example the Dunnes Stores machines have "recycle your empty PET containers and cans here" written on them but essentially the machine is just a bin for collecting these. They aren't recycled "here".
The question about percentages makes no sense. Ten thousand containers bought in March could have come in today, and twenty thousand bought in June could come in tomorrow. Or in six months time. No container can ever be counted as not going to come back.
Why do you bother then? Seems like your audience are citizens who don't even know this thread exists.
Because you aren't convincing anyone here with with smoke and mirrors and deflections.
The illusions are being spun by Re-turn and the Green Party, hiding information on what % of items are actually being collected and recycled.
You were asked earlier on the thread what % did 3 million containers represent? No response. So to make claims about 'disillusioned types' when you have no answers to relevant questions is without foundation and without merit.
What % of the items collected are being recycled? No response.
Re-turn want to wait until July? I'm sure they would, I'm sure they'd like to dodge any real questions about the scheme and have their lapdogs in the media peddle their press releases without engaging their brains to dupe those not paying close attention.
A lot of the stuff in Newry can't be sold to EU citizens. There are some shops in Cooley.
"This requirement is in effect from 1 October 2023. These requirements apply to all retail establishments in Northern Ireland.
Food products that do not have an individual product label and have moved under NIRMS should have shelf-level labels with the words 'Not for EU '"
As far as Dunnes or a Tesco, 58 miles away. No thanks
