So well thought out this scam🙄
Must be same store where you used an RVM. By design. Make it as awkward as possible to get deposits back and more people will give up. More deposits stay within Re-Turn. Dont worry though. The Re-Turn CEO was on the radio yesterday morning. There are big plans for the scheme:
Let's not park it let's talk about it.
It depends on what you buy in your shopping whether you have seen increases or not.
Go to another shop or change brand like with any price increase you find unacceptable.
I'm not sure how much of any recent increases are the result of DRS which is our main concern here.
Nobody is saying that price rises are a good thing.
The .022 cent would seem to offer a significant income stream. Seeing as the retailers were involved in setting it they hardly walked themselves into a financial black hole.
It's a bit more like when MUP came in. Despite getting the bonus of a floor price and no market competition to worry about most retailers took an extra margin.
The main culprit there is the person who left the rubbish in the laneway in the first place.
The main culprit in price increases was the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Own brand soda waters were 25 cents for a one litre bottle. Went up to 75 cents in a few jumps. Well before DRS. Remained at 75 for a long time, but this year they are gradually coming down. 69 cents in Tesco now, and the cheapest I saw is Aldi at 59 recently. Plus the 25 cent, which people can get back if they want. Or they can pay €2.55 plus 25 for Schweppes if they think that is good value. €1.70 for Club 850 ml.
My bin company have not increased their price to me since DRS. And their industry is still being asked to justify any increase they want to link to DRS.
https://www.kildarestreet.com/debates/?id=2024-07-11a.616
"The Minister of State and the Department are engaging with the Irish Waste Management Association, IWMA, and other stakeholders to conduct an evidence-based process to quantify what substantive impact, if any, the introduction of the DRS may have on the waste collection system in Ireland over the longer term. This process must be allowed to reach a conclusion. The Department is awaiting detailed data from the waste collection industry to support its position."
All cans and bottles went up by 15 or 25 cent in one fell swoop. Changing brands doesn't achieve anything. Doesnt matter if its full fat Pepsi or Lidl diet cola, They all went up by 15 cent.
I don't really know what your argument is.
No they sud not go up by 15&25c. You paid a deposit of that amount which you get back when you return the bottle or can.
Not own brand soda waters.
Unless its impossible for me to return them
So they go in the green bin, and I do not get my 15 or 25 cent back. And by 15 cent I'm referring to the 15 cent per can on the slab of 18 cans of pepsi I bought recently which is 2.70 extra.
Which would be great if I liked soda water but I don't.
And tesco seem to disagree with you:
So soda water is a Ukraine war anomaly and nothing to do with our DRS. Why is it being wheeled out on this thread? Probably because its the only tenuous (non-related now it seems) "example" that suits a pro Re-Turn stance. Any chance we can discuss whats gone up recently since February? You can't get an answer on this thread to anything. Down a fecking soda water rabbit hole now.
You should provide evidence, not nonsense like "probably the only tenuous example". Give us the pre Ukraine, the immediate pre DRS and the current price of any product you know about.
You have shot yourself in the foot with your usual going off on tangents. Bringing in the fact that soda water went up by 100s of % due to the Ukraine war has only proved it was an already overpriced outlier when Re-Turn launched. No I wont be looking for pre Ukraine war prices. There are plenty of examples of recent price rises on big sellers like Coca-cola multi packs. This is hilarious. Now we have 1 poster who apparently only buys soda water and another who wants to talk about soda water exclusively. I wonder why that is.
Im off to a bbq here. Maybe I'll bring up the DRS and get more sense out of some lads after a full day of boozing.
Aldi dont sell soda water. I can't find it on Lidls site. Tesco do charge the deposit on own brand soda water.
Dunnes also charge a deposit.
https://www.dunnesstoresgrocery.com/product/dunnes-stores-soda-water-1-litre-id-100293846
So, can I ask, where did that assertion come from?
Initially I would have agreed with your point of view. However on reflection it is a price increase. Before DRS I could buy a can of beer and pay X. Payment meant that I owned the beer and the can. I could do what I liked with that empty can because I purchased it. Now I pay .15 or .25 Extra if I wish to retain ownership of that can. So yes, it is a price increase.
YeYet I bought all the stuff in dunnes. It's nothing but a f'ing scam
Exacrly. I've been saying this for months now but most folks still dont see the obvious price rise.
I'm not opposed to the principle of the scheme, but they should have built the deposit into the existing price, as like you say, you were previously getting the container and the contens for the original price, not just the contents.
The machines accept containers bought in any shop.
You can only use the voucher where you return the containers.
All you need to do is hold onto the voucher until you are next in Clonsilla.
There is no expiry date on them.
This has repeatedly been shown to be untrue.
Your relationship with the truth went out the window, when you posted that Aldi do not sell soda water. They do, as do Lidl.
So where does the 15/25 cent come from to pay you on return ?
What do you think is untrue ?
The magic money tree
It's lidl, I brought them back to lidl, I should be able to use my voucher in lidl, any poxy lidl. Nothing but a scam
A deposit is not a price increase, never is, was or will be.
You can certainly complain about deposits but calling them a price increase is dumb and detracts from any arguments made against the deposit.
Afaik, the products subject to the DRS had the deposit value added to the original price.
That is a price increase.
It's just not. You don't understand what a deposit is. If you fulfil the terms of the deposit process (return the container) you have not paid any extra for your purchase.
Arguing otherwise renders your arguments against DRS moot as you are building everything from a misunderstanding of the process.
It's not a scam.
Your money is safe in the till at Lidl, Clonsilla.
All above board.
Who would have driven the decision to only allow voucher redemption at the store in which the items are returned?
I can't imagine all the large retailers thinking that was a good idea seeing as they are a single entity. Dunnes and Tesco let you spend your loyalty card vouchers in any of their stores not just the one nearest your home where you do your main shop. Surely they should have allowed each chain to make their own decision regarding redemption.
Incorrect. The price of the product on shelf includes the cost of the packaging.
This is primary school stuff.
