And prior to the DRS scheme, did you, or did you not, get to keep the *container?
*container is part of the product price
Yes or No?
If a 4 pack of coke costs 6 euro before DRS, 6 euro is the price of the PRODUCT.
Product = container/packaging + content
If, after DRS, the price of the product is 6 euro 60 cent, the PRODUCT price has increased by 60 cent.
6 euro now only covers the cost of the contents, but no longer the cost of the product.
It is a price increase, albeit one that can be negated by following the process. One purchased product and container prior to DRS. NOW, one is in essence renting the container and can receive the money charged for the container. If I buy a bottle of water and wish to retain the bottle to refill or use at home or whatever I am paying for that.
While you're at it can you explain where the 15/25 cent comes from to reimburse the customer when they return the container in your proposed scheme ?
There was an increase in the price of the containers, from zero Cents to 15 Cents or 25 Cents. No price increase was applied to the liquid in the containers in connection to DRS. The exceptional thing about DRS is that it allows the customer to get back the 15 or 25 Cents. Because the vendors want to get the containers returned. Unfortunately they do not operate this system for the liquid. That is yours to keep.
The DRS people have rules making the vendors show the 15 and 25 Cents as separate charges on all shelf displays and on all receipts. So it is clear to shoppers that they are paying for two separate products, the container and the liquid inside. But again they have to provide facilities for customers to claim back their 15 or 25 Cents. Once that is done, the customer is back the price increase in the container expenditure becomes Zero again.
A shorter explanation would be to say it is a refundable Deposit not a Price Increase. But you cannot understand that concept, so I hope the longer version gets through.
Incorrect. The price of the product on shelf includes the cost of the packaging.
This is primary school stuff.
Who would have driven the decision to only allow voucher redemption at the store in which the items are returned?
I can't imagine all the large retailers thinking that was a good idea seeing as they are a single entity. Dunnes and Tesco let you spend your loyalty card vouchers in any of their stores not just the one nearest your home where you do your main shop. Surely they should have allowed each chain to make their own decision regarding redemption.
It's not a scam.
Your money is safe in the till at Lidl, Clonsilla.
All above board.
It's just not. You don't understand what a deposit is. If you fulfil the terms of the deposit process (return the container) you have not paid any extra for your purchase.
Arguing otherwise renders your arguments against DRS moot as you are building everything from a misunderstanding of the process.
Afaik, the products subject to the DRS had the deposit value added to the original price.
That is a price increase.
A deposit is not a price increase, never is, was or will be.
You can certainly complain about deposits but calling them a price increase is dumb and detracts from any arguments made against the deposit.
It's lidl, I brought them back to lidl, I should be able to use my voucher in lidl, any poxy lidl. Nothing but a scam
The magic money tree
What do you think is untrue ?
So where does the 15/25 cent come from to pay you on return ?
Your relationship with the truth went out the window, when you posted that Aldi do not sell soda water. They do, as do Lidl.
This has repeatedly been shown to be untrue.
The machines accept containers bought in any shop.
You can only use the voucher where you return the containers.
All you need to do is hold onto the voucher until you are next in Clonsilla.
There is no expiry date on them.
Exacrly. I've been saying this for months now but most folks still dont see the obvious price rise.
I'm not opposed to the principle of the scheme, but they should have built the deposit into the existing price, as like you say, you were previously getting the container and the contens for the original price, not just the contents.
YeYet I bought all the stuff in dunnes. It's nothing but a f'ing scam
Initially I would have agreed with your point of view. However on reflection it is a price increase. Before DRS I could buy a can of beer and pay X. Payment meant that I owned the beer and the can. I could do what I liked with that empty can because I purchased it. Now I pay .15 or .25 Extra if I wish to retain ownership of that can. So yes, it is a price increase.
Aldi dont sell soda water. I can't find it on Lidls site. Tesco do charge the deposit on own brand soda water.
Dunnes also charge a deposit.
https://www.dunnesstoresgrocery.com/product/dunnes-stores-soda-water-1-litre-id-100293846
So, can I ask, where did that assertion come from?
You have shot yourself in the foot with your usual going off on tangents. Bringing in the fact that soda water went up by 100s of % due to the Ukraine war has only proved it was an already overpriced outlier when Re-Turn launched. No I wont be looking for pre Ukraine war prices. There are plenty of examples of recent price rises on big sellers like Coca-cola multi packs. This is hilarious. Now we have 1 poster who apparently only buys soda water and another who wants to talk about soda water exclusively. I wonder why that is.
Im off to a bbq here. Maybe I'll bring up the DRS and get more sense out of some lads after a full day of boozing.
You should provide evidence, not nonsense like "probably the only tenuous example". Give us the pre Ukraine, the immediate pre DRS and the current price of any product you know about.
So soda water is a Ukraine war anomaly and nothing to do with our DRS. Why is it being wheeled out on this thread? Probably because its the only tenuous (non-related now it seems) "example" that suits a pro Re-Turn stance. Any chance we can discuss whats gone up recently since February? You can't get an answer on this thread to anything. Down a fecking soda water rabbit hole now.
Which would be great if I liked soda water but I don't.
And tesco seem to disagree with you:
Unless its impossible for me to return them
So they go in the green bin, and I do not get my 15 or 25 cent back. And by 15 cent I'm referring to the 15 cent per can on the slab of 18 cans of pepsi I bought recently which is 2.70 extra.
Not own brand soda waters.
No they sud not go up by 15&25c. You paid a deposit of that amount which you get back when you return the bottle or can.
All cans and bottles went up by 15 or 25 cent in one fell swoop. Changing brands doesn't achieve anything. Doesnt matter if its full fat Pepsi or Lidl diet cola, They all went up by 15 cent.
I don't really know what your argument is.
The main culprit in price increases was the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Own brand soda waters were 25 cents for a one litre bottle. Went up to 75 cents in a few jumps. Well before DRS. Remained at 75 for a long time, but this year they are gradually coming down. 69 cents in Tesco now, and the cheapest I saw is Aldi at 59 recently. Plus the 25 cent, which people can get back if they want. Or they can pay €2.55 plus 25 for Schweppes if they think that is good value. €1.70 for Club 850 ml.
My bin company have not increased their price to me since DRS. And their industry is still being asked to justify any increase they want to link to DRS.
https://www.kildarestreet.com/debates/?id=2024-07-11a.616
"The Minister of State and the Department are engaging with the Irish Waste Management Association, IWMA, and other stakeholders to conduct an evidence-based process to quantify what substantive impact, if any, the introduction of the DRS may have on the waste collection system in Ireland over the longer term. This process must be allowed to reach a conclusion. The Department is awaiting detailed data from the waste collection industry to support its position."
