mikel97 wrote: » Its N2731G (prob CIA) yes Shannon
Thats the same Aircraft that diverted back to Dublin earlier in the week.
Not aircraft related.
East coast has seen alot of thunderstorms in the last day or 2. There was a significant ground stop at JFK yesterday evening due to thunderstorms with multiple cancellations and diversions
I think one of the display planes just flew over Raheny … loud engine roar. Any ideas which one?
Sure it wasn't EI348?
Pretty sure it was a turboprop... was on same flight path as the Jordanian Falcons took on Friday I think. Never seen regular flights take that path.
I had a quick scan of flight radar afterwards…wonder if it might have been the Beech H18.
There's a helicopter buzzing around Dublin at the moment that isn't tracker on Flightradar 24. Sounds like it is small and has a fenestron. I've hear it a few times over the last month.
Is this a Garda helicopter? It isn't as loud as one of the other ones, that can be rather piercing in an urban area due to the sound reflecting.
Just watched 3 aircraft backtracking simultaneously on 28L and a Ryanair from Nice stationary on the taxiway. Quite a few aircraft holding. I don't know how long the Ryanair has been stuck there. At least it got clear of the exits so others can turn at the end of the rwy.
Edit: Looks like ATC is bringing in 3 at a time and queueing them up at the western end of the taxiway before having them backtrack together, although some are managing to exit as S4(?) and avoid the issue.
still don’t understand why they don’t switch the arrivals to 28R and departures to 28L in cases like this. A large number holding for 28L currently
Appears the aircraft has a flat tyre(s)
1 tyre burst on landing , the other is nearly off as well.
Passengers being taken off and bussed to the terminal.
ATC have a landing rate restriction currently in place
Was wondering what that drone noise was.. An12B flew overhead at FL25.
https://www.flightradar24.com/CVK7011/3685325d
Has Dublin ever operated on that basis since the parallel runway was opened? I don't think it has.
No, I don’t think it has either. Planning dictates that 28L shall be preferred for landings and 28 R for departures in normal circumstances.
Taken from daa’s website “Option 7B is a preferred runway concept, which was agreed as part of the 2007 runway planning permission to lessen the impact of aircraft noise on local communities.
Mode of operation 7B provides that:
I would think the planning therefore allows for the switch in cases like today so I’m not sure what the actual reason is that they don’t and instead leave aircraft circling over the Irish Sea, resulting in one diversion to Cork this evening.
Perhaps the reason they didn't use 28R for landing is the same one given for not operating dual runway operations during reduced visibility - lack of familiarity.
Which begs the question..... How is it made familiar?
Three go-arounds in a row right now at Dublin and a lot of stacking going on.
Switching runways now
Edit - Gone to single runway ops on the south runway
When if ever is the DAA going to get full value out of that large investment in the north runway? Between ATC restrictions and the stupid cap…
I think i remember hearing and I can be corrected on this but heard that the northern runway needs to pass some tests for night time flying and low visibility yet….I could be wrong.
Quick question.
Not withstanding that the data could be innacurate, would a military plane, even a friendly one, be expected to advise in advance if they are in the area and might cross over into Irish airspace?
RAF A400 appeared to tip into Irish Airspace earlier.
Call the anti war protesters !!!!
While technically over "Irish territorial waters" (the lines you're referring to as airspace).
They didn't actually enter the Shannon FIR, and were still in Prestwick controlled lower airspace.
Also, under "innocent passage" it is permissible for a ship to transit territorial waters or an aircraft to transit the air over territorial waters, providing that they are transiting, not loitering in the territorial waters, not being a navigation hazard, not being a nuisance and not doing anything contrary to the sovereignty of the country (spying, raiding, invasion, etc.). Submarines need to surface for innocent passage.
While the A400 could be said to be loitering, it wasn't loitering over Irish territorial waters.
Thanks for both answers.
Didn't realise it was waters v airspace of some sort.
Interestingly the position of the border in Lough Foyle is disputed - the UK claims sovereignty over the entire lough which could well include the shoreline below the high water mark on the Donegal side, which would obviously be ridiculous. There have been disputes over fishing rights in the past. So whether that purple line going out to sea is what both governments recognise is questionable.
"Disputed" might be over-stating things. "Not agreed" might be more accurate. There is agreement on parts of the EEZ boundary, beyond the territorial waters.
they were prob at least 20 miles, if not further, from the Shannon FIR boundary. Airspace boundaries rarely have the granularity "sovereign territory" or nautical boundaries have….
Upper airspace over Donegal is actually delegated to Prestwick, so is technically UK airspace, over Ireland.
Fun fact… if it wasn't transmitting SSR, Ireland wouldn't know it was even there
RAF even flagged the operation in advance:
https://www.facebook.com/RAFNorthernIreland
The aircraft is over Co. Tyrone at the moment as "LION 01".
"technically UK airspace" is gratuitous over-simplification. UK-operated airspace might be more accurate.
If you use the word "technically", you need to be technically correct.
had a feeling someone would bite :-D
From a technical perspective, it is UK airspace… it is programmed in as Prestwick airspace in the Irish and UK flight data processing systems…
So technically, it is….
From a sovereignty perspective, like I mentioned, it's delegated control.
NATS doc if you fancy a read.
ENR 2.2 OTHER REGULATED AIRSPACE (ead-it.com)
1.8.1
Donegal Area -
FL 245 - FL 660 — Class C Airspace.
In this part of the Shannon UIR, the United Kingdom (Scottish AC (Prestwick)) will provide Air Traffic Services to all aircraft between FL 245 and FL 660 (inclusive). Procedures and communications will be as if this airspace were an integral part of the Scottish UIR. This area is bounded by arcs of Great Circles joining in succession the following points: 542500N 0081000W - 552000N 0065500W - 552500N 0072000W - 552000N 0081500W - 544500N 0090000W - 543858N 0093320W - 542500N 0081000W.
It's led to some interesting overflights until ADSB became more popular to the common folk.
