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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 418 ✭✭SpoonyMcSpoon


    I have worked on some of the set up of these beasts and know how they work. It is not all ETFs that are operating like a Ponzi scheme but the way the passive ETFs have been behaving in relation to the likes of the S&P and NASDAQ.

    In summary, momentum and the ETFs themselves are driving their own performance as, when more money flows into ETFs they need to buy more of the underlying index being tracked which drives up the index and in turn drives up the performance of the ETFs tracking the index.

    Here is a recent academic publication putting forward more arguments as to the behaviour of passive ETFs and how that behaviour is similar to ponzi schemes; https://arxiv.org/abs/2405.12768



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,669 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Some new talk on the boomerang front. No wonder over half the planet are getting together to insulate themselves from this madness.

    Niccolò Machiavelli :

    "To ally with great powers to defeat your neighbour is a strategic trap; if you win, you become the slave of the greater power; if the allied power is defeated, you remain alone and defenceless against the angry neighbour, and you are destroyed." - Niccolò Machiavelli



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,260 ✭✭✭greenfield21


    Lots of data coming out flashing recession , odds rising and risk of imminence too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,299 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    https://econbrowser.com/archives/2024/07/still-strong-after-all-these-years

    The new numbers put the Econbrowser recession indicator index at 4.0%. That’s historically a very low level, indicating unambiguous continuation of the economic expansion that began in 2020:Q3.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,779 ✭✭✭An Ri rua


    John "The Black Knight" Doe says tis but a scratch m'lads!

    Nothing to worry about. Buy that dip!! I would except all my funds are tied up in precious metals this 4 years. Yes, yes, waiting for the big kahuna. With my broken watch ..…🤑🚀😹



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,479 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    They always seem to start in August.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2024/0802/1463130-intel-jobs/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,004 ✭✭✭yagan


    I think the Intel story is more a reflection of the shakeup underway with new entrants in the semi conductor chip market.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,010 ✭✭✭Beta Ray Bill


    I don't think so
    ARC isn't god enough a GPU for AI, Their CPU's are inferior compared to AMD and they've gone on this mad drive to compete with TSMC which is ridiculous.
    On top of that FAB34 has gone so far over budget

    I'd be surprised if they invest here again.
    FAB 34 was a sub contractors dream. I know lads working out there, said it was mayhem

    I think it's just a case of they've bitten off more than they can chew

    Nvida want to be the best GPU manufacturer
    AMD want to be the best CPU manufacturer
    Intel want to be the one that that manufactures everything



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,399 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Ah you're back, what happened to your predictions, e.g. that something very serious would happen, what was it, last October?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,779 ✭✭✭An Ri rua


    😹

    I drop in occasionally to sample your wares 🤡

    7th October wasn't great in fairness. But a mere scratch also.

    Meanwhile, precious metals are up up up for a myriad of reasons. None good.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,146 ✭✭✭Jonnyc135


    Most of leixlip and celbridge are hoping that too. Would be devastating for Ireland if they were mass layoffs in Ireland. At their current dismal earnings their PE is 126, their 5 average ranges between 15-25, at 15 their share price would be 4 dollars. I really fear for peoples jobs in Leixlip, I hope I am totally wrong. Nearly 30% drop today and already in a brutal position I really can't see any way out for them bar a full scale chop up & sell off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,399 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    I thought it was going to be worse than 2008? Can't keep getting people's hopes up like this

    The key is not to put a date on anything, be as vague as possible, and only show up when there's any sort of market dip to remind people to buy gold



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,775 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    looks at threat start date…24 May 2022. 🤔 A lot has happened since then but we are still waiting on tenterhooks for the "big kahuna" to hit, in the long run we are all dead! 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,777 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    …nothing to worrying about in regards leixlip, its not going anywhere, this is just a common regeneration of a large corporation, its health for companies, many redundancies will probably be voluntary, people ready to move onto other things, and the fact our economy is currently in a very healthy state, fully employment, many of those made redundant will probably be back in work quick enough, tis all good….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,669 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Japan had it's biggest crash since 1997 today. God help all these countries without any resources if the middle east goes up in flames.

    japan.jpg

    Niccolò Machiavelli :

    "To ally with great powers to defeat your neighbour is a strategic trap; if you win, you become the slave of the greater power; if the allied power is defeated, you remain alone and defenceless against the angry neighbour, and you are destroyed." - Niccolò Machiavelli



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,146 ✭✭✭Jonnyc135




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,549 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    Intel back to 1995 levels, wow.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,220 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    slight correction there. NVIDIA do not manufacture their own GPUs. TSMC do.

    As for Fab34 going over budget: drop in the ocean for Intel. Everything they build goes over budget. In the past it didn’t matter because revenue always made up for it.


    Building fans is expensive, but the cost is nothing compared to losing your technology leadership due to gross mismanagement. It would take about a year to detail all the major mistakes Intel made in the last 10 years, but in summary they got complacent. They had such a lead they stopped competing and TSMC ate them alive in manufacturing efficiency

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,819 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    That summary is not right at all - at least for manufacturing it's not.

    in the past intel fab never really competed with TSMC in the first place. Intel fab was almost entirely for internal customers (i.e intel itself).

    Their manufacturing fell behind because they thought they could do sub 14nm designs in their fabs without using EUV machines from ASML. Intel's approach was much cheaper, but far more complex and they ran into constant issues which delayed all their advanced nodes by years, while TSMC just decided to pay up for EUV in the first place.

    However they were never really competitors at all until Gelsinger decided to separate fab from main business and sell manufacturing capacity to external customers.

    The real reason for Intel's decline is complacency in design versus AMD. AMD took age chunk of server market which is most profitable market, and Intel havent been able to get back. Add in the likes of Amazon and Microsoft making their own in house server processors too and it's all bad news for Intel



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,220 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Look we largely agree, you’re not actually disagreeing with what I said. In the past Intel didn’t really compete with TSMC, because they didn’t exist.

    When I said “losing their technology” leadership I meant exactly what you’re saying. Both in design and manufacturing. That’s the gross mismanagement I’m talking about. 8 and 16 times patterning in older litho tools instead of buying EUV.

    I left Intel for ASML in 2018 by the way. So I have a little insight here.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,260 ✭✭✭greenfield21


    The cat has spoken, mass has been said, recession is coming within months, be prepared.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,669 ✭✭✭brickster69


    The US Fed have admitted that US chip export controls on China have boomeranged back on them.

    Niccolò Machiavelli :

    "To ally with great powers to defeat your neighbour is a strategic trap; if you win, you become the slave of the greater power; if the allied power is defeated, you remain alone and defenceless against the angry neighbour, and you are destroyed." - Niccolò Machiavelli



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,779 ✭✭✭An Ri rua


    Put a date on it? Are you into astrology DohnJoe??

    Many MSM financial commentators already likening it tk the cracks of 2008. We've already had the 2007 warning shots. Sure let's see. You say the only way is up and I say what goes up must come down. We'll see...

    Me, I study cycles, trends and eventualities. Abre los ojos and, yes, buy gold.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,779 ✭✭✭An Ri rua


    I put my hands up, yes. Its given me time to add substantially to PMs so I'm happy enough. I'm sure Dohnjoe is fierce happy with his unrealised gains also. Provided he is a player and not just a talker.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,399 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Sure, here's some dates

    "07-01-2023 7:07pm

    Its far far worse than 2008. We're not just dealing with a stockmarket or property crash; we're facing a bond market meltdown leading to a hastening of the continued devaluation of currencies by central banks (who masquerade as fighting that which they create and can no longer control - - markets dictate the price of money now).

    Buckle up, buckos."

    And another one

    "22-06-2023 11:15pm

    Happy anniversary @Deub

    You can wait for the roof to cave in (if you time it right, you might get out ok) but I will be perched on high (monster box upon monster box) watching your epic rearguard action.

    Best to be positioned before SHTF. Yes its incoming. Even wet dream economy little old Ireland will get steamrolled.

    Touch base with you again chap on the 22nd... August to be precise. BRICS+ conference.

    Got gold? ;-)"

    When trying to get other people to buy gold with financial doomsday stuff probably best not to put dates on stuff. Keep it vague and focus more on the 2008/1929/global meltdown/dollar collapse innuendo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,779 ✭✭✭An Ri rua




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,299 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    The Sahm rule has been triggered in the USA.

    The Sahm rule says 

    a recession is under way when the 3-month average of the unemployment rate jumps more than half a percentage point in a year.

    Here is a comparison to 2001 and 2008:

    https://econbrowser.com/archives/2024/08/three-episodes-of-the-sahm-rule-triggered



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,777 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ….that aint gonna make the dems happy, with the run up to voting day….



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Definition of a recession is two quarters of negative growth

    Don’t you think this shifts the goalposts?
    Last time this nonsense was heralded out in 2020 the US gdp grew at 5% + for years and unemployment went down



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,260 ✭✭✭greenfield21




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