Be good to have thread for our boxing team
Kicks off at 16:20 Irish time today with Dean Clancy at 63.5 kgs vs a boxer from Jordan
FB page for IABA is good to follow to keep up to date on draw
It's a fair comment alright. All of these first round exits would suggest something is slightly amiss in the high performance programme - the only boxer who has turned up so far has been Kellie.
Aoife and Jude were very unlucky today. Showed a lot of class in defeat. Thought that RTE were really poor in not showing Aoife's fight live on RTE2. Would have been just over in time for McSharry's heat.
I know each boxer and all that happened here is that they lost fights. Folks can throw around terms like underperforming, but there’s an opponent in there doing all they can to beat you. Look at Jude today. Look at Grainne few days ago. Look at Lehane. All beaten, not by their poor performances, but by better boxers/fighters in the day. Clancy and Aidan Walsh. Not much to say. Neither good enough. Underperformed? Maybe. Hard to tell. Walsh always been that negative way
exactly this
People just see medals, and don’t realize there can be very small margins between a medal, and actually losing in your first fight.. it can be that tight and competitive
Clearly still salty from earlier today because I dared suggest we don’t generally produce real punchers. Sad!!
I'd add too that Aoife didn't fully adapt to how the fight was going tonight. She couldn't really have been said to have boxed well, even if up against an opponent who was hell bent on spoiling. She would have needed to have boxed a lot better than that in the next round to progress any further.
I didn’t change my mind. I never said Aoife wasn’t scrappy. She was. I said overall Aoife cleaner and more technical, but she was scrappy as well
is boxing in the next Olympics? Is this guy just shite talking?
Aoife just needed to take a side step or a back step at times and land a few clean blows but she got too easily dragged into the pole's gameplan and tried to meet her head on. She allowed her opponent to dictate the pace and style of the fight. A few classy moments would have been enough to see her win comfortably. I think there is a lot to be said for the composure of the fighters who have been to the olympics previously. It's very evident in Kellie.
Yes, it did seem like she panicked a little - allowed herself to get dragged down to the level of the Pole too readily. Get into a slogging / wrestling match with a brawler and they will make you look bad and as if you are boxing poorly.
I’m not aware anything official. There have been talks alright
What are the rules now for warnings etc. It used to be back in the day that a judge could still give a warning on paper even if the ref hadn't given it in the ring. It might have been rare to do so but technically it was an option.
It is still there now?
The Pole really seemed up for it. I have boxed and beaten same opponent 5-6 times and lost last one. Some very clear wins for me, some close and then a very close loss. That’s boxing. No sport is more intensely “intimate.” Sometimes on the day the opponent you have regularly beaten (either clearly or closely) gets their hand raised
Two cautions I believe and on number 3 you should give public warning. But I think there may be wiggle room/discretion allowed
Has to be here: https://www.iba.sport/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/IBA-Technical-and-Competition-Rules_20.09.21_Updated_.pdf
The Yanks are adding a load of BS sports that only they play like flag football and lacrosse and so modern pentathlon, Weightlifting and boxing are all for the chop.
Also this didn't help their case
In June 2022, the International Olympic Committee (IOC) barred the International Boxing Association's (IBA) rights to run and organize the tournament due to "continuing irregularity issues in the areas of finance, governance, ethics, refereeing, and judging"
When the IOC is calling you out for being too corrupt that's bad!
The Pole should have been DQ’d. You can’t consistently operate outside the rules of the sport and warrant a warning that you ignore every couple of seconds at certain stages. How many times was she told to stop holding did she get in the bout? I’d say 8 minimum. But probably far higher.
Nice one for clearing that up.
Marley at 92 tomorrow at 21:00 QF medal bout.
Daina Moorehouse 50 kgs rd 16 at 19:00
You’re welcome, buddy!
But when Michael Conlan does it after being blatantly robbed in front of the whole world he's a sore loser.
O rourke wasn't cute enough, the pole was nothing but a brawler , had no finesse at all. O Rourke should never have gotten into a brawl, played into her hands. Should have relied on her boxing skills. Good smart boxer will easily beat the Pole.
I think you misread the question. I was talking about a judges warning. People are complaining about the ref not giving a warning, but it used to be the case in theory that the judge could still deduct via a judges warning even if the ref didn't give it.
You are quite wrong about the Americans and the sports they are introducing, flag football and lacrosse yes, but also squash and cricket so hardly sports that the US is particularly good at.
Separately Modern pentathlon, wrestling and boxing were provisionally removed due to governance issues, but the first two have been reinstated after reform efforts.
Cahill and Donovan have been struggling with the abacus all week, listening to both trying to do the maths after round 2 in all bouts bar Harringtons has been painful.
Petition for Rachael Riley as commentator?
That's fair enough,but Aoife beat the Polish girl in all their previous meetings. So it's a fair assessment to say she did underperform.
This is not to take away from the Polish girl- as Kellie said there are no easy opponents,but I doubt Aoife will be feeling that she did her best and was just beaten by the better opponent. The Polish girl was prepared to be dirty to try and win. Perhaps Aoife was too nice. She let the Polish girl dictate how the fight would go. She should have been a bit cuter and avoided a brawl by stepping back at times and picking off her opponent. Granted the referee didn't help her cause by not issuing a second warning to the Pole.
from what I have seen, if you are coaching an inferior boxer then you look at the officiating and you have a game plan. After early fights, the Irish team should have expected that but had no counter. To be fair, if someone will be dirty and it is not questioned what can an opponent do. The bouts I have seen are night and day from the London Olympics where it was fresh, a lot of skills etc. if you are a competition organizer do you really keep this on the ticket? No surprises RTE went to the swimming.
Boxing has been in the Olympics for over one hundred years, so it was hardly fresh in 2012. There's no justifiable reason for even contemplating to remove boxing as an Olympic sport. Unfortunately, the whole thing is political. The swimming was ridiculously boring. It gets so tedious watching all the extra events within one speciality stroke.
Female boxing was fresh in 2012.
I think the justifiable reasons for removing boxing comes down to governance of the game.
No no…they need fooking cricket and lacrosse more….nothing to do with governance….
Over-hyped nonsense. Boxing in every games has seen decisions contested and queried and people shouting cheating and corruption. It's just far more in the spotlight now because everyone has a public voice to rant. There is no magic fix, and never will be. Humans judge bouts, end of
Rio was investigated and although they were suspicious, actively looking for cheating, there was no evidence that actual cheating occurred.
It will always be part of the game. Human judges judging boxers. It's at every level.
