Yeh in a boil water notice area
So In your opinion we should let water suppliers profit as to what they like because of the return farce? Ok. Irish tap water might be safe but tastes horrible
That's true.
Say you buy ten cans a week, that's €1.50 that will be permanently tied up in deposits as long as you keep buying them.
If you go on the dry or change to glass bottles you can cash out and get the €1.50 back.
Otherwise if the scheme lasts for 20 years so will your €1.50, turned over 1040 times and then you will get it back.
Kerbside never collected glass bottles in our area.
I always take them to the civic amenity site where it's free to leave them.
Beside the bottle banks they have can banks.
I used them always and still do for cans from duty free etc.
I hope they aren't removed too soon.
The launch of the scheme in the State of Victoria Australia bears fair comparison with the scheme in Ireland. Having launched on 01 November 2023. The sort of issues which attend any such introduction were evident there. This is the first part of an article from a local newspaper. The full article is behind a paywall.
13 Nov 2023. The state government scheme has been hit with an array of faulty issues in multiple locations. Victorians trying to cash in their bottles and cans have found several machines already offline two weeks after the program launch, with the opposition saying the “scheme roll out is stuffed”.
This piece outlines various teething problems following the launch.
https://www.mpnews.com.au/2023/11/15/recycling-schemes-unhappy-returns/
Then 3 months on the head of the scheme has to defend how it is running. All very familiar, and I only bring it up in response to the claim earlier in the thread that Ireland should aspire to Australian standards.
https://timesnewsgroup.com.au/bendigotimes/news/scheme-head-defends-container-deposit-challenges/
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It's based on the fact that it is common place around towns and villages. I walk regularly I do a 3 mile circle. I carry a plastic bag with me. Every week on the half mile either side of my house as I return home I pick the rubbish. I get 8-10 cans and bottles everywhere week. It pretty common place people threw them out of there cars. I.agine that
You'll never really get your initial deposit back, unless you don't ever replace what you've bought, after you use the DRS machine.
You're the one making it get burned, by acting like a petulant 5 year old, even if you are presumably over whatever the minimum age to register here is (13?)
There is no 90% recycling target. There's no guarantee the PET bottles collected under Re-turn will be recycled.
Was not aware of that, thank you. Good to know.
A significant proportion were dumped out the window of cars in rural areas
This "fact" gets trotted out every few pages but I have to wonder what it is based on.
I grew up in a rural area. The litter was a result of fly tipping and strong winds on bin collection day.
I find it difficult to have sympathy for foe tge vast majority buying bottled water unless they are in aboil water notice area. Buy a reusable water battle and fill it out of a tap. Our tap water is probably the finest in the EU.
But the problem was on the go waste. Only 23% were recycled. A significant proportion were dumped out the window of cars in rural areas or left on the beach on a day out. Only way to hit a 90 recycling target was to introduce a deposit scheme. If you ever took part in a local cleanup day 70-80% was bottles and cans dumped on the roadside
And the sooner they bring in the coffee cup levy the better.
Getting fed up with so many machines out of order. 3 locally now not working.
True…… but you well know the point that many/ most households are already paying for the collection and recycling of these. If segregating was an issue, why don't we likewise have 'can banks' etc.
The bottles in those days were washed and used multiple times.
Same with milk bottles.
Glass bottles can be disposed of free at bottle banks or civic amenity sites.
Sure I recall it.. the thing is though our parents at the time weren't already paying for glass collection. Whereas we've been paying and still pay for recyle collection inc these cans and bottles. There was no need for it, all it needed was better advice and enforcement of the existing system with more litter wardens etc
In some shops the worker who is tasked with looking after RVMs gets a notification on their phone when they are full.
So they go from whatever job they were doing and tend to the RVM.
As long as they are not being put upon to do more work in a shift they won't necessarily be at a disadvantage.
Any claims for extra pay would probably be dealt with locally.
Yay!
Tesco soda water has come down from 75 cents to 69 cents plus deposit for one litre since DRS. In the North the same water is 75 pence in Tesco.
Oh yes, 24 packs of water have gone up €2 per slab (before adding the tax)
Extra duties, do they get a pay increase I wonder?
A royal pain in the arse for them
The point the poster is making, and I agree, is that the cost of the item has increased. Whether it's partially a deposit or not. In January if I had six euro in my pocket and six euro only I could have bought those cans. 6 euro isn't enough to buy them any more......
Now that's just with the DRS fee
The base prices of cans bottles etc across the board has increased also.
It's the Two Ronnies sketch on British Rail "Despite inflation British Rail has not increased the price of a cup of tea on our trains. We have however, reduced the size of the cup".
If you can't return your cans to a DRS, it is a price increase.
You know exactly what he means
Prices of a lot of soft drink products (if not all) have been increased ASIDE from the deposit.
If prices haven’t increased, there’s been severe shrinkflation across the board on soft drinks. Manufacturers have taken advantage of the scheme obviously.
The deposit has been added to the price of the goods not much else in most cases. It's a deposit it's refundable have you never heard of a deposit.
There was a time when all glass bottles had a deposit on them it's stopped about 50 years ago. Often remember returning a few and having the price of a chewey bar
Way down the scale compared to glass, aluminium or even plastic.
It's all covered in the link I posted.
Typically the truck driver never even sees the RVM.
Those bins are left in the yard on collection day.
The truck drives in and empties them just like your wheelie bin.
There is no handling, you are the last person to touch the bottle/can.
Probably one of the least recyclables materials around
Tetra Pack is made of 14% plastic sheets, 5% aluminium, 6% from a bio-plastic cap and 75% cardboard.
It is recyclable but it is a complicated process.
https://www.fiftyshadesgreener.ie/blog/the-very-questionable-sustainability-of-tetra-pak
