Be good to have thread for our boxing team
Kicks off at 16:20 Irish time today with Dean Clancy at 63.5 kgs vs a boxer from Jordan
FB page for IABA is good to follow to keep up to date on draw
We dont seem to be on the front foot in a lot of fights, judges are obviously favouring the aggressive fighters. Even fights where points deductions are given doesnt seem to have any impact. Think the Fillipino was lucky to not be given a deduction for holding and not fighting in the 3rd, ref seemed very lenient
Yes, of course. But does that matter? In a really close fight, you can still have a fair unanimous and close unanimous decision. If the decision is fair, not dubious, then no issues with split or unanimous. In other words, very close fights don’t have to be split to be “correct.”
A split decision would be closer
Jamhal Harvey is the US hope for a medal ……
He looked very scrappy and wild. Had Oliveria winning by a margin
scores were 29/28 four judges and one 30/27. Was very close. Only 30/27 is debatable really. 29/28 is as close as you can get barring points deductions.
But they’re 3 minutes rds. Like 10-9 pros. Yes, bout duration is less, but still same duration time for the rds.
Scoring definitely very harsh on Gallagher there. Could've gone either way imo much closer fight than the scores would indicate.
Pretty poor Olympics for our mens boxers but not all that unexpected. Hopefully Marley gets the job done tomorrow.
Nonsense. Rd 1 was clearest rd, and 2 judges scored to Jude. I thought Philippines deserved rd 1. Twas a very close fight. Rd 2 was not that clear. I thought Jude nicked it. Rd 3 he won.
I thought the first 2 rounds were very close, but still the first for me was Gallagher's and the second maybe the Filipino. Gallagher was a clear winner of the third.
Amateur boxing is just too short for the 10-9 scoring method.
the judges have decided whos won the fights before either fighter even steps in the ring, second round scoring shows that.
I just caught the last two minutes of the second. Thought he did alright. The Filiplino fella has very good movement.
Rd win for Gallagher for rd 2 I thought.. but 5-0 for Philippines..
Needs huge rd here to win
3/2 first rd to Philippines. Thought he won it well. Galkagher needs to up the pace
And just for clarity: There are levels to punching/punchers: From Julian Jackson/Tyson to Ray Leonard/Hagler to Mosley to Oscar to Floyd to Pea Whitaker to Malignaggi. The real power punchers, the good solid punchers, the good, the average and the weak.
So when I discuss the topic and say that we don't seem to produce punchers, I am not saying all our boxers are Malignaggi like. Punchers to me are in the Jackson/Tyson to say Ray Leonard range. Elite to the good/sold variety
And I am not ready to label Callum Walsh or Tommy Hyde just yet as punchers in the above category: Elite to the good/solid variety
Of recent times we had Carl Frampton. I would label him a decent puncher, but not a puncher in the true fight-changing sense. Can get opponents’ respect, but nothing too heavy
James Tennyson a notch higher. Proper solid puncher.
Nobody is begrudging or belittling anyone. People who bandy about the begrudgery card usually incapable of reasonable discussion. You’re going off with silly lil points about “wet paper bags and never threw a heavy punch in his life” nonsense.
Of course we can produce punchers. Nobody said otherwise. We have done so. It’s just not something I’d “generally” associate with our boxers. We’re a relatively small island and population. As said already, punchers are rare. In Irish boxing this description fits well. You listing a few boxers and clinging to boxrec to say otherwise doesn't change that.
Where are the insensitive outbursts?
You made a blanket statement that Ireland doesn't produce power punchers and when you were given 3 quick examples of young Irish boxers with fantastic Knock Out records your response was to belittle their opponents.
In an attempt to strengthen your argument you then gave Pierce O Leary as an example, his amateur record is up there with the best in the world. He won 140 out of 150 fights, he won 9 National Titles and he's won 8 of his 15 professional fights by Knock Out.
Gift wrap it anyway you want but that is begrudgery at it's finest.
You see to be running away with yourself here. #
Nobody is begrudging anyone anything, and nor is anyone dismissing his success. It's specific to talking about labeling boxers punchers, is all.
I'll leave it there, as it is clear you are incapable of discussing it without resorting to lil sensitive outbursts.
Ah yeah, never threw a powerful punch in his life.
Nine times National Champion with 140 wins from 150 fights, all hype, couldn't punch his way out of a wet paper bag.
If begrudgery is what floats your boat, sail away.
I am well aware these now pros (like Lee) were amateurs.
Example: Pierce O’Leary getting hyped as a puncher. Was never a puncher as an amateur. Few good KOs against very poor pro opposition doesn’t change that.
And where do you think the three lads learned their trade?
They are products of the Irish amateur scene.
Yes, we produce punchers here and there. But remember, sometimes opposition needs to be considered, as well as manner of victory
As mega said, real punchers are rare, and we have a small pool here…
I have been following our amateurs years. Power punchers is not something I’d say about us as regards what we produce.
You need to do a bit of homework on the professional records of young and upcoming Callum Walsh, Tommy Hyde and an honourable mention to Brandon McCarthy. That's three young fellas off the top of my head that know what it's like to KO an opponent.
Plenty of Irish boxers were well known and feared for their power.
No country produces big punchers on a regular basis.
Big punchers are rare!
But when you have 350 million Americans the mathematical probability is they will produce more big punchers than Ireland's 6 million.
Not very hard to figure out really.
Tomorrow Jude Gallagher 57 Kgs 14:30 last 16 and Kellie 16:55 QF 60 kgs
Ye Andy Lee probably the biggest one punch KO fighter we've had. His hook was lethal. Frampton had decent power at SBW as well. But generally ye we aren't power punchers. Nobody who's out so far was someone I thought would medal. I'm hoping Harrington, Rourke and maybe one more. 3 medals would be good going imo.
Andy Lee
Yes, he has heavy hands alright. Forgetting even what fans like, having ok-decent power is amost always needed to get to the top. You have to be able to stun, hurt and discourage your opponent. It's all well and good (with little power) when meeting very weak opposition who can't hurt you, but when you step up and you have someone strong, who can punch clean and hard, you need to be able to get their respect.
Dean Clancy lost the other day to a very basic opponent, who won because Dean couldn't at all hurt him, discourage him, or stop him pressing forward. Dean's very weak power was a factor in that loss
Mcgregor in mma seemed be only one with power we have produced in combat sports. Part reason he is what he is. Fans love kos.
No.
We just don’t have heavy handed boxers a lot of the time. Very little to do with training or technique. We just don’t seem to produce boxers who have effortless power, or even decent power
I know lot of punching power you are born with but why do our boxers seem so weak, is it wrong s&c we doing?
