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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,120 ✭✭✭aero2k


    I fully agree. The level of force should be as much as required to effect an arrest, or subdue a violent suspect. Nothing in the video clip I saw supported the level of force being used.

    Unfortunately, the only person I saw in the video acting like a savage was the cop, so maybe you are saying he should have been battered by his colleagues. I don't know how the two lads were behaving prior to the head-kicking, but once they were passive then force used should be just enough to arrest them.

    They might deserve to be severely punished, but that's for the courts to decide, not the cops. Is it different in France?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 477 ✭✭89897


    Theres a big difference between the softy softy and what happened in that video.

    Im very much in favour of using reasonable force where necessary but that wasnt it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,534 ✭✭✭Suckler


    You could at least have the honesty to state what we all know you're getting at.

    As for the antithesis to the 'softly-softly' approach, we have that here in various forms and it didn't end well, I'm guessing you're only a fan when it's not you on the receiving end…..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,279 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    I'm sure there are loads of male celebs that have less than good likeness in the Wax Museum too. After all, the 'art' is to culture what Love Island is to television.

    Don't see the big furore over Sinead O'Connor. Snow flakey.



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  • Site Banned Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Wax museums are one of the strangest 'attractions' there are.

    Just so weird



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,203 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    I honestly think the vast majority of wax sculptures look atrocious. The furore is because they intentionally made sure to have it out in time for her anniversary. That can be incredibly upsetting for family members, in this case ones who weren't even aware of it up until this week. So I'd say it was in pretty poor taste, particularly not to loop any of the family in on it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭Rothko


    The opening ceremony last night was very disappointing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,484 ✭✭✭Iscreamkone


    I thought it was great. Paris was spectacular.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Less boring than tbe one or two others I've watched. Plus, it had minions

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭Rothko


    Just thought it really paled in comparison to London.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,920 ✭✭✭micar


    Those new high rise bikini bottoms that's fashionable…..like thongs…where both arse cheeks are fully on display

    Was watching the diving from The Olympic and some of one piece swimwear have the same type of cut.

    I don't want to see your wobbly ass on display ……seriously unattractive



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,944 ✭✭✭Sgt Hartman


    ”If I offended you, you needed it!!” - Corey Taylor



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,151 ✭✭✭✭Deja Boo




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,834 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    I watched the uncut Manchester police video. The stomping was uncalled for but the individuals being arrested were highly dangerous thugs.
    Stomping is so serious that despite the police having the crap kicked out of them beforehand, the police still come out looking like the bad guys.
    I would sanction the police officer and levy serious assault and battery charges against the thug, with a view to a custodial sentence of several years.

    The civilian woman shouldn’t have intervened, she put herself in harm’s way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    Amazingly the two lads arrested were released on bail, even though two police officers suffered serious injuries.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,912 ✭✭✭StevenToast


    He deserved another kick to the head....

    "SUBSCRIBE TO BOARDS YOU TIGHT CÙNT".....Plato 400 B.C



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,117 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Fair analysis.

    The Police have special powers that don't extent to civilians so they can subdue and arrest people. Thats part of the social contract, we give them extra powers, they use them responsibly . They have truncheons and tasers and restraint training and so on. From a UK Police officer friend, I know the training and laws around what they can and can't do and the escalation of force is really important.

    What the criminals did was horrible and I've no issue with the police restraint methods (did they and use a taser?). But when the guy on the floor submitted, the punishment comes from the court, not the police. Kicking him in the head was a separate crime and should also be dealt with by the courts.

    Naturally, the police officer has to be fired because he showed he can't stick to the rules.

    Normal, decent police must be furious about this incident as it just makes their job harder.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,861 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    I think this is completely wrong.

    I don't think it's part of a police offers job to take a beating.

    The police offices should be accessed in the a case where they are personally taking a beating by how anyone would react when taking a beating, not by a list of pre-approved list of actions a police officer is permitted to enact on the public.

    Good luck trying to find someone to 'stick to the rules' when they are personally under attack.



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  • Site Banned Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Police are absolutely supposed to behave according to the law. What that police officer did was allow his temper to take over and then attacked someone on the ground, who at that time was not assaulting him.

    Everyone can let their temper take over, but they are still breaking the law, police in particular, are not supposed to break the laws they are duty bound to uphold.

    Dont get me wrong, I understand the emotions, unfortunately it will probably cost him his job.

    Yes, What he did was human, but it wasn't what a policeman should do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    He wasn't being attacked though. The attack was over and the attacker subdued.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,861 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    Right well so are police officers given training in how now to 'loose their temper' when they are personally under attack. How do you not 'loose you termper, switch it off?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,117 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Who suggested police officers should take a beating? You quoted me saying they're trained to fight/defend themselves and restrain people and they're given weapons and trained how and when to use them.

    There very much is a pre-approved list of actions that are permitted according to the circumstances. It's called escalation of force* and it's backed up by law.

    And in exchange for giving them weapons and training and powers beyond a normal civilian, they're also given responsibility to control their emotions and stick to the laws even when u der attack. That's the job and it's a difficult job.

    *I was surprised to hear yesterday that tasers are below truncheons in the escalation of force in lots of circumstances because unless the person has a particular heart condition, they cause less harm to incapacitated a person than a truncheon



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,117 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Yes. How Much would you say you know about police training?

    How To behave, controlling emotions and not kicking restrained suspects in the head is absolutely part of the training.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    You control your temper so as not to let such an event happen and part of the training is in doing exactly that so as to NOT escalate situations.

    No situation ever got improved by a police officer losing his temper and kicking the **** out of people because of emotions.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,120 ✭✭✭aero2k


    My controversial opinion is that the longer video didn't change the opinion I formed after watching the brief clip of the head-kicking / stomping. The two boyos were behaving like thugs, but they had both been subdued by the time the cop engaged in gratuitous violence. I'm pretty sure the guy lying face down had been tazered - in which case getting him handcuffed should presumably have taken precedence over kicking him in the head. The other cops present seemed to be able to control themselves, despite considerable provocation.

    This cop is in trouble, but the likely outcome unfortunately is that cops will now be afraid to use force even when it's warranted, in case they too get in trouble (I think @El_Duderino 09 was making this point above).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 387 ✭✭L Grey


    I think Ireland should put its own people first in all things.



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  • Site Banned Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    I think Ireland should look.after all people living in the country.



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