I read the following article this morning. "From August, bus gates will be in operation on Bachelors Walk and Aston Quay in order to restrict drivers from travelling through the city centre."
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/major-changes-to-dublin-city-traffic-to-come-into-effect-in-august-1610937.html
The quays have always been a pain in the a$$ to use, no matter the time of day… So, how will this effect people?
Why are they on Burgh quay in the first place? No one is starting their journey there. The entire point is that they don't want people using the quays for these journeys.
Or what will likely happen is that anyone doing that route will go around near Stephens Green and back out around Christchurch.
Not everyone who drove down the quays is going to take the same alternative routes to wherever they're going.
And there'll still be far more people using public transport to get to around Heuston and it should be a lot quicker for them.
Trucks can turn right onto Prices Lane or Bedford Row, from Westmoreland St/Fleet St.
It does look like more cars/trucks will take this route. Which would be a shame as thats the main pedestrian entrance into Temple Bar and always busy with tourists.
I raised this Fleet Street scenario, based on that woman who was on the Claire Byrne show yesterday. According to her, traffic coming up Burgh Quay but wanting to head towards Heuston must turn into D’olier, onto Westmorland left onto Fleet & turn right back to the quays. I’m not from Dublin so didn’t know if trucks can traverse the Fleet St section. The vehicles can of course turn right up O’Connell St. but the North Quays traffic will also be turning up past the GPO.
Relax itll all be grand! everyone always over reacts to anything new and it turns out fine just like the plastic bag tax, the smoking ban and the return scheme. Just go with the flow
Do you know what percentage of shoppers drive into the city centre?
That sounds like shtetalk. I highly doubt any cafe worker is aware of how most people get there.
Would they not just turn down Prices Lane, rather than Bedford Row?
Oh I'm completely expecting something to happen there in the first few weeks, before people cop on.
How would the Fleet St issue play out?
Fleet St is Temple Bar and barely has any traffic anyway? Or do you mean the part of the street east of Westmoreland St?
Given that Fleet St and Bedford Row are narrow cobbled streets that will be access only, then they cannot become an alternative route.
Some will of course, but there’s always a bedding in period for any changes and people will adjust as they always do.
I wouldn’t dwell on it.
Some people would even say that where O'Connell St meets Parnell St is already chaotic anyway.
But...I could see there be an issue on Westmoreland St for public transport if Fleet St becomes a de facto traffic route back to the quays. But its general design wouldn't be ideal anyway.
Very true, but you can be sure there will be some who end up doing that.
I'm not overthinking it, I'm just pointing out that that's what some will end up doing
I assume so as they said most of their regular customers drive in.
Why would eastbound traffic go all the way along the Quays to O’Connell St to get to Parnell St, when they can do that via Jervis Street?
People are really overthinking this.
Did they actually ask the customers how they got into town? The presence of shopping bags is no indicator of the mode of transport.
I don't know a whole lot about PT movements in town myself. I'm just assuming worst case scenario, like one of those artics breaking down, or a crash.
I can see it being chaotic if the reduction in traffic numbers doesn't reduce.
Thats really what I was getting at.
If cars are diverted in significant numbers, they could end up impacting public transport elsewhere and away from the quays.
I am not familiar enough with PT movements etc to know, but logic would imply that if the same volume of traffic is simply redirected, then there is a chance PT could be impacted, as well as driver journey times.
Nope, you have not.
Legal action is under consideration by the Dublin City Centre Traders, with the support of Retail Excellence Ireland and bankrolled by DCCT member Noel Smyth.
Lets assume cars, vans and trucks from both North and South Quays go up O'Connell Street and onto Parnell Street.
There are no bus lanes on Parnell Street as far as I know, so busses will end up stuck in traffic there behind anything not allowed along the Quays. Some will want to turn right onto Parnell Square, some will be looking to continue on straight on Parnell Street.
Then there is the Luas, that needs the traffic lights to be red for it to turn onto Parnell Street.
But if cars find alternative routes, traffic along O'Connell Street might not be as bad as it could be.
If anything, the restrictions on through traffic might make it actually quicker for people travelling eastbound and wanting to park in Arnotts or around Jervis as there should be fewer private car traffic.
Hopefully so.
Have we seen the last of the retail allicance challenge to the proposal? I am not sure if they have any other appeal option open to them at this stage.
There is no impact on such a journey. I’ve already told you that.
The impact is on people who want to make east/west journeys through town along the Quays who are going elsewhere.
Remember though that the restrictions have been watered down from the original proposals, which would have made that journey more difficult.
What car park on Henry St are they aiming for exactly? Where on the plans (they're on this thread) do you think the issue would be?
If someone is driving in from Heuston, eastbound along the quays, what would be the impact to their journey to Henry St, for example.
Not really. Do you have a particular example of where a car might be impacted if they want to drive and park in town?
But surely if there is no impact and the same volume of cars come into town to park, they must be redirected via other streets. And if so, what is the impact to those streets?
It will hopefully speed up any public/active transport that uses the quays as their main routes.
But there is very limited impact on anyone wanting to park in town .
They can still drive into town? They still park wherever they normally parked. Very little has changed here for these people.
