The Assistant Principal competition 2022 has gone live on PublicJobs.ie today.
Link is here: https://publicjobs.ie/en/index.php?option=com_jobsearch&view=jobdetails&Itemid=263&cid=166412&campaignId=22434207
Closing date for initial applications is 17/11/22.
The information Booklet for the Open competition is below, if you need to refer to it at a later stage in the competition.
Best of luck everyone!
Thanks PWDUB,
I just put in a supplementary query on the Open panel, so they'll likely give me that very same info.
Hi,
I got in touch with PAS today about Open Batch 4.2 and they have started clearance. As far as I can make out they have processed 2 from this batch since the 16th of July so an average of 1 a week.
Could be wrong in my sums.
Hi folks,
I got in touch with PAS today, inquiring specifically about Interdepartmental Batch 4.3, and received this response:
"Clearance has just commenced on Batch 4.3 with only one candidate in clearance so far."
Just by way of update and FYI.
Absolutely! & I completely agree... It was more the fact that wfh options seem to be resinding that I was specifically focusing on... For anyone who prefers a blended work option..this does not seem to be offered in some depts now, while other depts appear satisfied to incorporate it in.
I accept that some people hate wfh & would prefer to be office based
There's nothing stopping anyone from doing that if that's what they want.
I was surprized at some recent comments here as I was not aware that some civil service depts were pushing for full time office attendence. I accept that some people hate wfh & would prefer to be office based, but personally I have no intention of returning to a full time in-office role & I feel that people should be offered a suitable compromise. While full office attendence may be initially required, to allow for training etc, once training is complete I see no reason why a blended option could not be offered. On reflection, most people only attend the office to sit in front of a computer anyway to access cloud systems, which can now be done from home, without the hassle of a commute! That's just my view! .. I found another boards thread which discusses civil service blended working in detail & I queried members on the current stance of depts. Interestingly it seems like some of you here were correct & that there is an evident push for full office attendence. See thread link below for anyone interested in reading further... & skip to the final few pages...
I worked in DSP and it was a hellhole… that was down at the coalface but nobody higher up seemed to be happy to be there either. Anybody who could get out got out. I know more than one person who turned down a promotion because it was into DSP
I worked in DSP for many years, i loved it. In the functional area I left, the rule was no remote working at all for the first year .
Currently based in DSP and it’s the first I heard of this. I know of one AP who started and he was expected to be in the office full time for the first few weeks but after a while he was allowed to work from home 3 days a week. I have heard of people turning mobility offers in various departments because they were expected to be in the office full time. It all depends on the role, the office and what you PO is willing to allow.
Yes
As if DSP isn't an unattractive enough place to work in already… is that time limited or indefinitely full time WFO?
Is the panel for this competition still due to expire on 31st October 2024?
I hear DSP are full time on site for new staff. I am 3 days wfh 2 days in the office in my new AP role.
To be honest I am regional too and once offered Dublin it will be down to remote working options so after all of this it may not work out but I am remaining positive!!
Thanks Foxy. That is amazing! Congrats to everyone seeking work in Dublin. A friend is in that batch and I am optimistic for them. I turned down a job in Dublin many months ago and sit waiting on a regional panel. I got the good news last October and after moving up 40 spots for Dublin and a few spots on that regional panel, it STOPPED moving completely in November. I pm'd FlexB recently with suggestions to try and break the log jam. Last year I naively hoped they didn't offer me a job before Christmas as my hols were set. Now I fear the panel expiring. Hope FB gets an offer this summer. Pity to have to start all over again.
Hi @Ozark yeah we did interviews last week of June into start of July. And they are on 4.3 of the InterD Dublin panel.
Thanks Foxy, is 4.3 the most recent batch?
They do seem to be moving very quickly ! Good to know they won’t be slowing down during the summer.
I have heard reports of people turning down transfers either via mobility or secondment as it required being in the office full time.
A lot will depend on the role and the departments attitude.
Hi everyone - just an update - they have already put no1 & no.2 into clearance from InterD batch 4.3. I also confirmed that there is no break or slow down in summer months so we can remain hopeful.
Does anyone know if the majority of new AP jobs being offered are full time in the office in Dublin? I have heard there seems to be quite a few refusals (but basing this on info from one person in my office)
Thanks for that, it be very hard to start all over again!! Time will tell I suppose if there is going to be any movement on panels, summer time of it probably doesn’t help. Fingers crossed some panels start moving over the next few weeks!
Yes, if the competition expires then order of merit no longer matters as the panel ceases. There is no option to transfer across to another panel, etc after that date. Instead you would need to apply for the new competition & complete the entire process again including strategic analysis exercise & interview. I believe anyone who is in the process of providing clearance documentation at the time the comp expires would be offered a position but anyone still waiting on the panel would not.
If the current competition expires in October does that mean that all panels will expire and won’t transfer onto any new AP competition or how does this normally work?
I would be surprised if they called another batch in this competition. I would think that between 4.1 and 4.3 would be enough until the next competition is up an running.
Its just a bad time of the year. I can see everything grinding to a halt from now until September. Hopefully I’m wrong.
I hope you're right but in regional panels there may not be any posts. Start all over on November 1st. Was on an internal AP panel which also expired. Getting tired now lol
Just to note that PAS did recently extend the current PO panel from the 2022 competition until the end of this year so it is a possibility that the same will happen for this panel!
I don't think anyone is arguing otherwise (that you will be placed). I would expect anyone currently on a panel will be placed by 31 October. Not sure if they will call another batch to interview though. They have vacancies every year towards the end of the competitions and they don't extend them so I expect they won't this time either. Suspect they will want to launch a new competiton before the end of the year so they have a new candidate pool to tap into. PAS confirmed a AP competition would be launched in 2024.
I genuinely think they wouldn't be establishing panels if vacancies weren't projected. They've already committed to carrying out pre-employment checks for Interdepartmental batch 4.3 'in the coming weeks' (which admittedly could amount to quite a lot of weeks!), so I can't see them not doing so for the Open batch 4.3 at some stage. I think there's more chance of them extending the expiry date.
Is this for open or interD? They told me Monday they are still pulling from 4.1 on open for clearance but have finished clearance for 4.2 on interD and are starting 4.3 in the coming weeks!?
