I hear what you’re saying but it’s hard enough for a player to release the ball at the moment when surrounded by two or three opponents wrapping him up , it would be impossible with the new handpass . I understand something has to be done about the throw ball that’s going on at the moment but I’m convinced if refs blew for every handpass where they couldn’t see clear separation and didn’t get ridiculed for it , players would soon adapt and get back to performing a legal handpass every time.
Hard to know regarding population.
If I was given a choice, I’d make half a kilometer from the ring road the parish border for the town teams in order to keep things even (obviously make slight exceptions like having a narrow strip out of town for things like the Village club grounds, things like that).
The city is going to grow, and with it the population of the town teams if the parish rule stays in place as the town parishes push well outside the town currently. It may be possible in 20 years a third of the county will be within three clubs. That’s not good for the county, and it could be a disaster for the town clubs too trying to facilitate that.
Either that or some kind of grandparents rule, where if a parent/grandparent is from another parish then the young lad can declare for that parish if he’s not making the A team of his home club.
Probably not viable options, but migration, even within the county, is going to become a massive issue in the next decade or two, and the county board, hell the GAA in general, needs some sort of a plan in place to counter it. It’s already been a killer for some clubs, and we’re not heeding the warning.
What that plan is I don’t know, but it’s definitely something we need to start planning for.
As regards the small country clubs the local councils rural housing policies are terrible and do not help the local clubs retain there already small populations when somebody can’t even build on their own land.
Quite simple really. Change the rule.
”The hand that releases the ball cannot be the hand that strikes the pass”.
Clears it all up.
No ambiguity.
No differing interpretations.
A definitive black and white decision for players, refs, management teams, fans, pundits and commentators.
No Sunday Game slow-mo and zooming in to see separation of 2mm to justify keeping the status quo while ignoring that the rule states clear striking action which due to its absence required the Sunday Game to come up with a slow-mo and zoomed in shot to overcome the lack of clear striking aspect of the refs call.
No Sunday Game not knowing what clear striking action is.
No Sunday Game showing three examples slowed down and zoomed in to overcome the lack of clear striking action part of the referees decision while not showing one of the 100 or so blatant throws between the two semi-finals as a counter-balance.
And due to its black and white nature, a rule that can easily implemented at every grade and age group.
Takes the refs out of the firing line by making the passing action defined so they don’t have to use personal interpretation and make bad calls.
And most of all, removes the throw ball, an act of cheating, that is increasingly becoming central to how the game is being played in getting out of defence and setting up attacks.
I would have to agree with you but only time will tell.on the country teams , the fairly big towns are after improving in the last few years and are actively giving the city underage teams a run for their money, Callan,Mooncoin,Castlecomer and Thomastown spring to mind. Then there’s barrow rangers with some very big housing estates and they are showing green shoots (feile)
No, lots of good players…. Not really, really good
then the Ballyhale boys get all the games they need with no great expectations from them and eventually graduate to being good hurlers whereas with clubs with an abundance of players lose lads that might have improved if given game time.anyway time will tell with the Boro this year,with a few lads gone away it opens things up for the younger lads to come through.Hackett and Evan Murphy might be the ones to look out for.
Ballyhale Shamrocks have been the big feeder club to the KK county panel since the 2000s anyway and it’s definitely the opposite of Dicksboro, I’ve been at under 13 ronin C matches against Ballyhale and they would barely have enough for a team, maybe 1 or 2 subs.
In their defence their really good underage teams are probably only coming to age now so the next 3 or 4 years will tell a lot. I wouldn't be holding my breath though. Their advantage in all those teams that won consistently over 4 years, or whatever it was, was the balance of really good players they had across the 15 rather than a collection of superstars. Shine was probably their only stand out player throughout those years. Lots of really really good players but no superstar.
Rural decline is having a significant impact on clubs up and down the country. It certainly is here in Tipp where Sars, Nenagh, Templemore ect have benifited greatly in the past 10 years. The town teams greatly boost our Senior team and if the big guns in any county don't pull their weight the county will always be swimming against the tide Corbett, Maher Brothers, Billy McCarthy, Mickey Cahill ect in recent times provided the core of top Tipperary teams. I spent 10 years working in Kilkenny and the Boro were hoovering underage titles during that time. How many of them went on to contribute for the county at senior level?
I used to work down south a few years ago most of the clubs you mentioned have a fairly big population in comparison to other clubs lots of housing estates in Mooncoin,Kilmacow sliverue,Piltown and even Ballyhale . The work has to be done to get into these estates and get the young people playing .Now everyone will say the Boro have a huge pick that maybe so but the work that was put in over the years was Huge.but the above mentioned parishes are more localised and that is an advantage.
Fred, on the south Kilkenny clubs:
Please tell me what difference it would have made to our senior hurling team over the last few decades if these clubs were in Waterford?
They need support from our county board or they won't produce any intercounty standard hurlers for the next few decades either.
there is a great article on Kilkenny GAA. Ie under coaching and development it lists the teams and mentors of all the development squads and who they are playing at the weekend, well worth a look and will show you where we are and how quick things can happen in a short space of time.
that’s great news about Tommy
Tommy Walsh attending courses in abbotstown so must have an eye on going into coaching
Tommy Shefflin would be one selector/trainer. I would always be enquiring about Tommy Walsh hoping for him to make a start into management. On the other hand it doesn’t need to be anyone famous just someone that knows what they’re talking about. Like Brookville a very knowledgeable man.
getting too old for this but I will find out.
Was lyng to long with Cody, himself and Mcgarry were there under Cody for years. Men like Brother Damien may he rest in peace was a huge loss for talking to players.Jimmy Meagher was the best but he is gone now after what happened .It looks like for coaching they will have to bringi n somebody from outside or go with the last camogie manager.
No. He's in college. I want to say Maynooth
If Lyng is to stay on as senior manager as I expect him to, what changes would lads like to see to his backroom team for year 3?
was Harry not with St. Kieran’s this year?
What a load of crap .
Agree 100%, can never understand why we never put Walter at full fwd , where he started as a minor and gone with coady and maybe wall in the 2nd half off him.right half fwd under the hogan was to predictable
THey had all those players for the previous 2 years and up to half time couple of weeks ago we were rolling over them.if mullen coady donnelly had got rolling same scenario
I agree the 2
Yeah the 2 corner backs were exceptional especially Hogan, he has shored up a leaky backline. He should be a hurler of the year nominee. What a talent, he gave some exhibition in the second half v Kilkenny. Cleaned out Cody every way he could, he has some speed
Yes i agree regarding Harry Shine, when i state the importance of club hurling this year it is not essentially new talent but can players like Harry Shine stand up and be exceptional. Look at Mark Rogers who is similar to Harry Shine in a lot of regards he was outstanding this year and had an few excellent Fitzgibbon campaigns that brought him to a new level. That is what we need from some our younger players. Is Harry Shine in 3rd level ?
Lohan can thank his two young corner backs Conor Leen and Adam Hogan this year.
Them two lads played a huge part in Clare winning the All Ireland.
Leen didn’t even start the first Munster match, only used barely as a sub in the league.
Everyone knew the Kilkenny team for championship by January, so so predictable and no real competition for places.
Lads use to saw eachother in half at an A v B in house match during the Cody era to try and get a starting jersey, that needs to happen again for Kilkenny to rise up to the very top.
All seems a bit too comfortable for a lot of lads on the Kilkenny team/panel at present.
You could say the same for barrow rangers blacks and whites graignamanagh callan Gowran up until recently Dickboro for all the advantages they have haven’t given us a top county player since Buckley
Clara haven’t exactly had a lot of county men the last few years mullinavat also
Ballyragget another team
Tullougher mooncoin glenmore thomastown have all provided plenty of players on underage teams the last few years
I don’t think you can draw a line across the county and say one side is a waste land there’s clubs all over the county not producing senior inter county players
Admittedly it is harder for the clubs you mentioned as they are mostly junior clubs and flip fop between junior and intermediate regularly
All this talk about how we can improve as a county and nothing being mentioned of the wasteland that is south Kilkenny. Clubs like Piltown, Mooncoin, Slieverue and Kilmacow provide nothing for our senior hurling team and haven't for decades. They may as well be in Waterford the use they are to us. Could the county board not employ a development officer down there and even if it leads to finding a few decent hurlers it can only help out senior hurlers long term.
Thats a very good analysis. Lyng to me is a poor mans Cody so far. He has very similar traits. Discarding players with the slightest whim and not giving them time. Cody could do it and not be questioned but Derek has not earned it yet.
I believe we need a complete new approach. I donrt know how Lyng is regarded by the players or what he is. Is he like Cody or is more approachable? IMO we need a different approach both on and off the field by the manager. What worked 10 years ago will not work today. I fear Lyng is being a bit to similar to Cody both on and off the field. Certainly on it not much has changed. I dont know if he stong enough to make or take big decisions. Time will tell.
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