If you are saying Re-turn are incinerating the plastic bottles they collect you just need to prove it and you can kill the scheme.
Just go to a shop near you and look at the RVM.
It won't accept plastic wrap, only plastic bottles and cans.
It's not a tax, it's a deposit.
By "of course", is that a yes or no answer to the question:
If we are not meeting the targets do you agree those things the "industry won out" on should be looked at?
Why would it kill the scheme?
Re-turn have given no public commitment that I've come across that they won't incinerate the items collected.
No public commitment that all items collected will be recycled.
If you've come across information to the contrary, then do share.
Okay yes if you insist.
If Re-turn fails to meet the targets they should be held accountable.
If there is an enquiry or it comes before an Oireachtas Committee everything should be on the table.
Come on, dig out the old political antenna.
Of course if it transpired that all the inconvenience was for nothing the game would be up.
It should be up.
As should MUP already.
I see zero reason to think it will.
They will fudge it with weasel words, smoke and mirrors statistics. Emphasise collection stats, use vague aspirational language about recycling.
They have given no commitment that all items collected will be recycled. Pay attention to what is not said.
It's a tax. C'mon. It's a tax. It's laughable that anyone would deny it at this stage. Lean into the tax and just stick your stuff in bins.
Now that you mention MUP I recall we both posted vigorously in criticism of that terrible piece of public policy.
How much do you reckon that has cost you in 2.5 years ?
That was a real scam from the word go guaranteed to rob our pockets.
No matter how DRS turns out it's only in the halfpenny place.
You mean throw items worth hard cash in the bin.
No thanks, that's not my way.
MUP is terrible public policy for sure and costly in the pocket. And yet it is still here.
The bill for Re-turn is still to be determined given the bin companies stated intention to increase charges to recover costs.
There is also the hassle of returning items.
The bin companies issue is still not settled.
I strongly object to paying a bin company to not collect recyclables that I have to deal with myself.
In my case it's particularly annoying because I never put them in the green bin anyway so they are at no loss.
I'll be watching this one with interest.
Been said a few times if only it was a tax at least it would go into central funds and be used as such. What we actually have is a private entity answerable to no-one that gives 2 fingers to anyone who asks for figures or what the plans are for deposits kept within Re-Turn.
It is not settled, but in a post earlier wrt retailers you said: "The industry won out, surprise surprise."
It will be no surprise if here also the industry (bin companies) win out too, either by increasing prices to cover the revenue from recyclables OR government subvention.
Na it's the subsidise Bass scheme. Went fir a walk this evening collected 4 cans, a 500ml bottle and a 1L bottle into my little rubbish, all had the return logo.
If they think they have a case for government subvention let them fight it out.
The householders with bin collections never contracted to put certain items in the bins.
Indeed many like myself never put a can in the bin.
You keep mentioning that line 'never contracted' as if it makes any material difference to whether bin companies can or will put up prices to cover the lost revenue.
It doesnt.
It does if they expect me to be on the hook for their "disappointment money".
You wouldn't be the only one collecting a few bob.
I was watching a Tidy Towns guy collecting the other day.
He was organised and using a litter picker to pull the cans out of a big Wheely bin. Small trailer behind the ride on mower and all. Fair play to him.
Not just pensioners do it
Might not work out for you in the way you expect.I've seen bbbq kits,garden waste,food waste in my local recycling centre bins.Have not seen the same so far with DRS.
Should be visible around the bottle
Tesco express in Cabinteely have a recycling bin outside for hard or soft wrapping plastics if you dont want to bring them home.
Might be a thing if others catch on
Ffs its going in most people's green bins before all this scam. What do you think was happening before this. We just threw it in the ditch outside our house.
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Should be investigated.
The example I gave was not a local recycling centre, it was a "recycling service" this guy paid for. He puts his recycling into a designated green bag with the companies logo on it, and a van goes around and collects it. He followed the airtag on the map expecting it would go to a recycling centre for sorting, instead it went pretty much straight to Poolbeg.
It would be interesting to see where your DRS cans go after they are picked up.
Costa Coffee cans 250ml are exempt, because milk is a containment in the return process
Still searching but found this, yes from 2016 but it is an insight. 20% of PET bottles recycled.
