Ok, so is it true to say that you have nothing to prove your assertion that retailers must offer manual return if their RVM is out of action ?
You can say it all day long for all I care but it's not helping.
I just want to find out one way or the other.
Is there one single aspect of this that Return havent made a complete and utter bollix of?
And they are siphoning off tens of millions of euro from the public for the privilege.
I'm not going reading 20 odd documents to find where it says retailers can refuse manual returns. I did open the one named Retailer Need to Know guide and it doesn't mention it. The options to the consumer are rvm or manual. If the rvms are not working, manual is the only option and they can't refuse. The only options available to retailers is charge but don't have returns (exemption) or accept returns.
As you say it's a small sample.
I could never see the attraction of manual given the labour cost involved.
I asked the manager of Supervalu in Mount Merrion and they except manual returns if machine is not working or issue with identifying the item. The manager had no issues cleaning out the machine and putting a new sack in awaiting for the next load.
Since this is the third time me of asking, of a small yet dedicated audience of posters, one could come to a conclusion that manual returns as touted by the Minister is a red herring. Great question to ask of him.
I've used RVMs at Dunnes, Tesco, Lidl, Supervalu and Centra but I've never even seen a manual return.
And once again I ask, "has anyone completed a manual return" ???
This link says retailers can choose manual or RVM.
https://re-turn.ie/retailer/
We discussed this some time ago and some thought retailers should have to accept manual returns when machines aren't working but it's not clear that they have to.
Dunnes one only say bottle or can and 15c or 25c. I know for a fact that it will take 15c bottle and pay 25c if there is 25c sticker applied. That is sticker from 2l bottle applied to a 0.5l bottle. So much for "shape and weight recognition".
Yes would really need to see what it identifies as when put it inside the RVM, I think the SuperValu machines show the actual product name when you put an item through.
Thats the predictable problem with this scheme. Those fallen on hard times are likley to go through bins, looking for recyclables and potentially leave a mess whilst they are at it.
As if the streets arent bad enough with all the seagulls ripping at the plastic bin liners.
Yes, the shop 100% has to take a manual return if the machines are not working. If they refuse, ask for a manager and if they still refuse email Rescam and the HQ of whatever shop it was to complain. The more people go elsewhere, the worse this will get. We need shops to be put out over it, because us bitching won't change anything, but shops making a loss (ie: paying employees to do the work of another company) won't last long.
Thanks for the info.
I think I'll stick to the Carlsberg beer.
Ice cold in Alex 🙂
Normal Irish Coke still uses sugar
Carlsberg are the bottler for Denmark, Hellenic are the bottler for Ireland (North and South, the plant is in NI). You might see the Hellenic logo on vending machines here but they just use "HBC" on the cans I think.
Coke themselves are the bottler for most of Europe except the bits that Hellenic and Carlsberg have including GB.
They'd probably prefer to have the machine available to paying customers like yourself.
A bulk machine would be better for people with large sacks of returns.
I saw Danish coca cola cans with Carlsberg on the label.
I didn't buy them, I think they came from a pizza place.
Which is not right.
I dont know but I was under the impression that if machine is not working they are obliged to do manual return. Is that true or not?
I was in lidl today and both machines out of order staff didnt want to hear anything and cursing people hauling sacks back to their cars. I personally do not use machines in lidl they tends to spit out every third can or bottle. I prefer dunnes machines they do work like charm.
Ireland is choke full of danish coca cola in cans. They dont come in with logo and cant be deposited in wonder machines. They are for sale pretty much everywhere. They also taste better for some reason. I need to check ingredients but it is quite possible they still use sugar instead of artificial sweetners like in coca cola produced in Ireland. Polish sugar variety also taste much better.
Then it could be enterprising garage owner. Could be as simple as scanned coca cola barcode and return logo and printed out…
I was walking out of my local Spar yesterday evening and a guy that begs outside that Spar arrived in with a large blue sack of returns for the machine. The lads behind the counter told him the machine wasn't working so he was naturally cursing about it. Thing was I'd used the machine about a minute earlier. I'm guessing they're just fed up of this sort of enterprise and are trying to discourage it.
I got a takeaway the other night with a can of coke, and the writing on the back of the can was in Arabic. No barcode, no re-scam logo. Was I charged 15 cent extra? Frankly, I'm both ignorant and apathetic. In other words, I dont know and I dont care.
I suspect there is a stream of unregistered cans coming into the country from other countries.
I know, but it may have been a legit distributor and they've paid the deposit to Re-turn. We don't know.
My point was, I really dont think Coca Cola Poland are targetting the Irish market. I suspect someone bought a load of cans in Poland and brought them here.
I googled it and found a wholesaler listing it as "can", nothing else anywhere and makes me suspect its a grey import via them.
Searching for the barcode on a Coca Cola Ireland thing finds hundreds to thousands of listings; not just one from one wholesaler.
Yes understood but the barcode in that example is a Coca Cola Ireland barcode which doesn't represent the source of the product.
Importers absolutely can do this, once you have registered the barcode and paid the fees.
And grey imports are also legal, Coca Cola Ireland cannot stop you doing it - but you have to pay the fees, not them.
Now, that doesn't mean this is actually done legally in this very case; but it can be.
We do have few small but 2 big ones and I have seen clear big plastic bags with return logo on them in one of bigger shops. No machine in there.
Yet, there is quite small off license shop which does have a machine in. May be good for business, generally until enterprising unwell person brings in a batch of freshly bin fished containers.
They are obliged to if they are being sold in Ireland.
The Polish shops Ive been into feels like they would be less than 250 sq metres so exempt from having to take back.
