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No parking in estates for non residents

bobbyss

Was passing Inchagoill Road recently and noticed a sign on a house wall saying No Parking Residents Only.

I can imagine this being an issue for the residents what with the hospital and town so walkable from there. Does anyone know of other such signs around the city?

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CreadanLady

Is it a private estate i.e roads are not taken in charge by the council?

If not taken in charge then it's not enforceable by traffic warden or Gardai.

Even if a private estate have a rule of no non resident parking, then unless they have the likes of apcoa in to enforce it, it's meaningless.

Victor

Half of the housing estates in Galway City were never taken in charge by Galway City Council and hence are not public roads. Expect parking restrictions.

bobbyss

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122401194#Comment_122401194

I don't know if it is a private estate or not. I would imagine it is as it has been there for a mighty long time.

But just to be clear. What specifically does 'taken in charge' mean?

Who would put up such a notice? The Residents' Association? I am surprised that more estates have no such sign up if it would be beneficial for residents.

Mrs OBumble

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122401241#Comment_122401241

If an estate has not been taken in charge, then it's the Management Company who put up such signs - abd yes they are in a few estates in the east of the city. Some are enforced by Apcoa or similar.

Larbre34

One of two things happen when a new estate of homes is built.

The City or County Council takes them "in charge", which means every item is finished to code by the builder and then the maintenance and overheads such as grass cutting, street lighting and parking control, become a matter for said Council

2. The estate is NOT taken over by the Council, but is managed by the residents, the owners among which, are shareholders in an Owner Management Company under the Multi Unit Development Act. The builder may also remain represented on this OMC for a number of years.

In the former case, the roads are public, and can be parked on by any person, subject to the usual restrictions and due care.

In the latter case, the OMC may do whatever it wishes to control parking in the estate, such as issuing residents permits and clamping or towing anyone who is not there by permission of a resident or agent.

They do not have to post a sign saying that the estate is not in charge, and many public estates do chance their arm and erect "residents parking only" signs, which have zero validity.

Finding out which sort of estate it is, is entirely up to you.

kabakuyu

I've seen them near ATU,students/staff had invaded local estates due to shortage of parking at ATU and some wouldn't pay the 10e annual fee for extra parking at galwegians ground.Driveways were blocked and larger vehicles couldn't access some areas.

IIRC the council put down single yellow lines and parking signage in some areas.

Victor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122401422#Comment_122401422

Substantially, but not quite.

Councils often refuse to take green areas in charge and / or refuse to pay for their maintenance. They may arrange maintenance if the residents pay for it.

In some places, they will take the roads, etc. in charge, but not the parking spaces.

zell12

City centre

Salthill

Larbre34

Older streets like these are generally "in charge" of the Council.

But to be certain, a phone call to the Roads Maintenance Office of whatever Council area you are in will answer the question for you.

csirl

Council may also have a parking permit system where only residents can apply for a permit.

what_traffic

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122401828#Comment_122401828

Pretty sure this ONLY occurs where P&D is in place.

We should really have 'Residents Only car parking' streets like is common in many European City's.

bobbyss

Let's say a new estate is completed and all houses are occupied for the last 12 months.

When does the council take it over?

Could estates be 20-30 years old before they are taken in charge? (Why does it take them such a long time to do that?)

Who is responsible for pot holes and the like before they are?

Magilla Gorilla

The council will only take an estate in charge when requested to do so. Until then, it’s the developer’s to maintain. It won’t be taken in charge until all aspects are up to standard, which is why you often see footpath repairs or similar in older estates etc. There is no time limit, some estates are never taken in charge.

Mrs OBumble

Who is responsible for pot holes and the like before they are?

The owners, ie the management company.

Victor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122421277#Comment_122421277

Many housing estates don't have a management company and the developer went bust a long time ago.

Former Former Former

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058360458/no-parking-in-estates-for-non-residents

I’d be willing to bet it was an individual resident fed up with randomers taking parking spaces that he considers “his”.

As such, no legal weight and no consequences for ignoring

bobbyss

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122421196#Comment_122421196

I see.

What does the developer/owner/ management company maintain exactly?

Maintaining the green areas? (Yet I know of residents and not the owner having to pitch in to get grass cut) The lighting -if there is an issue with it?

Why wouldn't same company want to hand estate over (and accompanying costs of maintenance) as soon as possible?

Magilla Gorilla

In my council (former employee), typically taking in charge referred to roads and services only. This meant roads, footpaths, water and sewer pipes and street lighting. Whilst the green areas also transferred, in reality it was left up to the residents to maintain them and the council might give a small grant to assist.
Usually any delays related to the the estate not being finished to the required standards i.e. no council is going to take on a basket case development with problems.
Aldo, developers might be charging management fees which it might suit them to retain.

inisboffin

So in a council-held estate, where people park on the pavement all the time (which is technically breaking the law, right?) can residents then ring the council to have the car ticketed? There's common sense right (where it is safer to partially park on a path so vehicle can pass on a very narrow road) but there's downright gobsh*tery where people block the path entirely so no wheelchair, walker, stroller can pass without being forced on a road, usually where there is no ramp.

And nobody owns the space in front of their house, but when neighbours constantly take parking space when they have space in front of their own, it's fairly annoying when you have visitors. If they block you getting out of a driveway it is illegal though.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122427419#Comment_122427419

It depends on the Council policy and the ownership of the estate common areas. DLR parking wardens will only deal with paid parking infringements and won't deal with safety issues like this.

Any pavement parking is dangerous for pedestrians including people with visual impairments. It's far from common sense.

inisboffin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122427522#Comment_122427522

I don't agree with pavement parking, but in some small streets and estates in Galway, it's the difference between access or no access for emergency vehicles if there's fully compliant cars parked on both sides of the road! The streets were not designed with larger cars in mind.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122435296#Comment_122435296

No, it's the difference between using public space outside your front door to store your private property or finding safe and legal parking nearby.

The problem here is the assumption that people are entitled to take public space outside their front door for storage of private property.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122427419#Comment_122427419

They ring the Garda who will arrive and ticked all the cars parked on the footpath.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122435541#Comment_122435541

Not in my experience.

bobbyss

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122425682#Comment_122425682

It's good to hear from someone with experience in an actual council.

What specific management fees are we talking about?

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122435679#Comment_122435679

I have seen it several times but years apart outside my house.

Magilla Gorilla

Not an expert on this, but management fees would normally be billed for upkeep of common areas. So roads, paths, lights, block insurance if applicable etc. Owners of individual properties are responsible for upkeep of their own properties otherwise.
The risk is say a major sewer leak or problem- if not in charge, the owners are responsible for repairs etc. The council/Irish Water have no liability.
Edited to add, if the developer is gone AWOL or not interested, the owners are stuck with the problem. It happens.

bobbyss

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122436224#Comment_122436224

Thanks and I appreciate you not being an expert on this. I am just posing questions to get to the heart of the matter.

So a resident would get a bill from the management company of an estate for the upkeep of the roads, paths and lights? What upkeep is involved in that? Roads, paths and street lights don't get damaged very often in an estate nor need frequent repair. I can't see much of an income for a company coming from that source. The common areas include the green yet it's usually the residents who pay for that item.

Thanks again.

Victor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122436299#Comment_122436299

While such things don't necessarily need constant care, over a period of years the costs do add up. For example, light bulbs blow. Traditionally, it was cheaper to systematically replace all the light bulbs on a street every X years, as call-out charges every time a single bulb blew were disproportionate. However, modern LEDs last much longer, so the economics will have changed.

Meanwhile, roads and paths occasionally suffer from potholes, subsidence, etc. and drainage gets blocked.

Mrs OBumble

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122436299#Comment_122436299

Not residents.

Owners, ie members of the management company, are required to pay the fees that are levied by the company.