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I'm going with Wednesday
https://www.rte.ie/news/us/2024/0719/1460732-biden-us-president/
They are there because they believe they can get what they want out of him. Maybe they believe the US structure is there to stop him or maybe they don't care. He is older and seemingly dumber than Hitler, though Hitler was no bright spark with some of his decisions,so it could well work out.
A few prominent Republicans such as Josh Hawley have outright called for a Christian Nationalist state which a modern day Hitler would be good to work towards so some would be actively for an American Hitler.
There may be other reasons. You could equally ask why would anyone follow him after his lies about the election being stolen? And yet many have, including many who knows it is a lie such as Tucker and others have to know while prepping non existent evidence for court cases they tried.
As for the comparison I would say it is more about his demonization of minorities and obvious desire to be a dictator and not be beholden to elections.
It does not matter why they did it. If they truly believed it then they wouldn't tolerate it at all. If Vance truly believed it then,then why did he take the nomination? And this is the problem a ton of people will have from now on. The arguments for or against Trump have to be consistent. They are not. You are talking about the people who won't work with Trump but the current VP has the exact same problem. The only reason we don't talk about it is because there was no book deals or NYT interviews for those people.
All the AH comparisons are a dime a dozen. When Trump assassinated the head of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard In a drone strike the Democrats were screaming that it was reckless and could cause WW3. Yet Biden did the exact same thing.Obama did it every week. When Trump assassinated a senior member of ISIS in Iraq CNN, AOC and all of the usual suspects where talking about this animal (is it ok to say vermin?) as if it was f@*^ing Ghandi he had killed. When the Global Hawk was shot down in 2019 Trump refused to order a military response much to the chagrin of people like John Bolton and others. And this above all is why the AH comparisons are frankly ridiculous. Trump for all of his rhetoric has possibly the least interventionist US President in history. For all of the Democrats hysteria, when it came to China (accusations of racism) they ramped up those same Trump policies.
from a house Republican from Florida? 😂
facts
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/12/19/godwins-law-trump-hitler-00132427
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/aug/07/donald-trump-rape-language-e-jean-carroll
Yes, a rapist.
Ya the encrypted part is pretty stupid... It's a default way to make something sound nefarious.
This nazi enough for you?
Remember THIS footage? Of course you don't. it went straight down the MAGA memory hole.
Many will back peddle. Will back peddle because they don't believe it or because they have something to gain?
I actually meant Vance, not Pence. I am not sure if Pence has referred to him as Hitler but it is telling how many of the people who worked with Trump are not voting for him. You would think two terms would have plenty of carry over even with a time lapse but that seems unlikely if Trump wins.
Though I would guess Pence hit his limit when he realised Trump really did want to overturn democratic elections with fake electors and stay on regardless of the vote. Many Republicans can put up a lot as long as you hurt poor people and minorities, guess he hit his limit.
So long as they're not composed of overweight midgets who are incapable correctly holstering a gun, they'd be an upgrade.
Or a motorcycle gang handpicked by putin
So did Vance…..yet here we are! So did did David Lammy and lots of others. And as your about to see this guy a many others like him will have to back peddle before the election is even held.
Godwin didn't make an exception to Trump. He said the vermin comment made the comparison apt when it came to rhetoric. Laws rarely have exceptions. But then Godwin is ignoring his won advice about actually learning more about the holocaust. As for Mike Pence. Where was his come to Jesus moment when he was VP?
You don't know what your talking about. If he consistently fired at this standard then he would be a marksman. A firing range is static. This was a good shot. It clipped his ear. It was a head shot with a rifle that he was familiar with but was ultimately not his.It could have been slightly out of calibration. The wind might have temporarily changed. Trump only had to move a fraction in the opposite direction and the bullet would have gone through his eye.
Here is the standards and as you will see to qualify as a marksman in the US army then you only have to be on target around 55% of the time.
https://www.army.mil/article/232139/soldiers_take_a_shot_at_armys_new_marksmanship_qualification
Godwin himself made an exception for Donald Trump.
His own vice president called him Hitler.
There you go again accusing others of the thing you are doing! No every time I post I rationally debunk you beliefs based on reason. The AH comparisons are textbook hysterical and have been for decades
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law
This is the first principle that shows how irrational and unhinged you are. And as the man said himself, "Those making comparisons to the holocaust need to think more about the holocaust",
Apart from that there is direct evidence based phenomena the most glaring of which is that Trump is increasing in popularity amongst protected groups while the Democrats are losing support among those groups.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/09/19/trump-poll-support-black-hispanic/
In a nutshell your AH comparison is not you coming across as ranting and ridiculous. It is ranting and ridiculous.
He'd tell you himself
If they could not put a sniper on the roof then they should have made Sure that the building was gaurded on all sides to stop someone climbing up on the roof I think there was a breakdown in communication between the police and secret service or else someone simply forgot to double check is the building being gaurded properly if you look at the video on sky news it's obvious some of the secret service are not tall enough to fully protect trump after he was shot .
The shooter was seen walking around carrying a sniper scope long before he got on the roof .there was 2 groups of secret service snipers he was only visible to one group as he was partly hidden by a tree .we don't know the exact timing of the events eg did the secret service wait to shoot him or did they wait til he started firing his rifle he had time to fit about 8 shots before he was killed by the secret service.
.if I was giving advice to the secret service i.d say it would be easy to have 2 drones. Hovering over the arena in future where the event is held outside in a public place drones with cameras would have seen the shooter as soon as he got on the roof .
I'm replying to you on the other thread, this is departing away from the assassination.
You say you're fond of factual rigor yet you throw around labels like narcissist and sociopath based on nothing more than your opinion
Sure we could all do that assign whatever label we feel like to anyone when posting
It wouldn't do much for the standard of debate if we all descend to that level
Do I need to add "IMO" to all my posts to make you happy?
I'm very fond of factual rigour, so ironically, that would be a factual error on your part.
Do you want to actually discuss my post? I've shown you why I believe he is a sociopath, what do you think of that? It's well known that CEO's have a much higher percentage of sociopaths and psychopaths than any other jobs.
"come across as arrogant or superior, with firmly fixed opinions"
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So you think he's a sociopath
Therefore you label him a sociopath on the thread
Just so we know where we stand re facts
You're not too particular about factual rigour
Trump ticks all the boxes of a sociopath.
What are the signs of sociopathy?There’s no standard list of sociopath signs, but the signs and symptoms of ASPD include a persistent pattern of disregard for others. For example:ignoring social norms and laws, breaking rules at school or work, overstepping social boundaries, stealing, stalking and harassing others, or destroying propertydishonesty and deceit, including using false identities and manipulating others for personal gaindifficulty controlling impulses and planning for the future, or acting without considering the consequencesaggressive or aggravated behavior, including frequent fights or physical conflict with othersdisregard for personal safety, or the safety of othersdifficulty managing responsibilities, including showing up at work, handling tasks, or paying rent and billslittle to no guilt or remorse, or a tendency to justify actions that negatively affect othersPeople with ASPD generally show little emotion or interest in the lives of others. They might:come across as arrogant or superior, with firmly fixed opinionsuse humor, intelligence, and charisma to manipulateseem charming at first until their self-interest becomes clearPeople with ASPD generally find it challenging to maintain friendships, relationships, and other mutually fulfilling connections. This difficulty may stem from traits, like:low empathy and emotional intelligencedifficulty learning from mistakeslack of concern for the safety of othersa tendency to intimidate and threaten in order to maintain control
What are the signs of sociopathy?
There’s no standard list of sociopath signs, but the signs and symptoms of ASPD include a persistent pattern of disregard for others. For example:
ignoring social norms and laws, breaking rules at school or work, overstepping social boundaries, stealing, stalking and harassing others, or destroying property
dishonesty and deceit, including using false identities and manipulating others for personal gain
difficulty controlling impulses and planning for the future, or acting without considering the consequences
aggressive or aggravated behavior, including frequent fights or physical conflict with others
disregard for personal safety, or the safety of others
difficulty managing responsibilities, including showing up at work, handling tasks, or paying rent and bills
little to no guilt or remorse, or a tendency to justify actions that negatively affect others
People with ASPD generally show little emotion or interest in the lives of others. They might:
come across as arrogant or superior, with firmly fixed opinions
use humor, intelligence, and charisma to manipulate
seem charming at first until their self-interest becomes clear
People with ASPD generally find it challenging to maintain friendships, relationships, and other mutually fulfilling connections. This difficulty may stem from traits, like:
low empathy and emotional intelligence
difficulty learning from mistakes
lack of concern for the safety of others
a tendency to intimidate and threaten in order to maintain control
https://www.healthline.com/health/mental-health/sociopath#What-is-a-sociopath?
Fact check
Is Trump a diagnosed sociopath
For a normal person, correct. For a narcissist sociopath? This will be like virgin blood to a vampire
I've got to hand it to him
Coming straight back out after getting shot and cheating death and doing the same thing all over again is no mean feat
I read the shooter climbed up over the airconditioning unit on the side of the wall, i also read the building the shooter was on was outside the perimeter ,eg secret service told the local police to secure the building,
there were snipers inside the building, at the very least there should have been police gaurding all sides of the building to stop any possible assasins going on the roof, there,s video of the shooter walking near the building , i think the police had at least 5 minutes warning that there was someone on the roof of the building ,the police got a ladder and a policeman climbed up and looked at the shooter but retreated when the shooter pointed a rifle at them. There should have been at least one sniper watching the roof . the secret service knew the roof could be a security issue .
it seems the local police were careless or badly trained ,its basic security 101,
if theres a large public event all buildings overlooking or higher than the arena within sight of the podium must
be secured .in this case the secret service and the local police are at fault ,but the secret service should have double checked is that building secure , is the roof secure from intruders,
theres probably a wide range of security procedures and levels of training for local the police force depending on which state the event is held at .
just because a building is outside some supposed perimeter does not mean that the secret service can ignore it in a time where its easy for any adult to buy a high powered sniper rifle with a range of 400 yards plus .
its ridiculous for the head of the secret service to say we could not have a sniper on that roof cos it was sloped and not level .the shooter was easily able to crawl across the roof and get a comfortable firing position
Very true. Plus he's nearly 80.
Has to be said it's not easy for Trump to walk back out on stage after cheating death like that
Him or anyone else would be badly shaken or even have PTSD presumably
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