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You once said that Stalin was a Fascist but that's not relevant to this topic either.
(there is the argument that stalinism and fascism are not that estranged: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_fascism )
A bogus argument based on personal biases and an inability to accept demonstrable facts, namely that the pursuit of communism by socialists the world over resulted in death on a scale beyond the wildest dreams of Fascism.
Everything bad = Fascism. BS
Another example of the illusory truth effect.
But again, not relevant to this topic.
I wasn't standing up for it just acknowledging it existed.
Anyway, the times we live in: an assassination attempt and everything else we missed in the news because assassination attempt
https://youtube.com/shorts/L9J-QAlwBxk?si=oZxMwTCZgh98mKYz
Would love to see the seating position of the person killed, video I saw seems to show them nowhere near Trump, front or behind. Doubt the sniper missed by 35 ft, it was more like 35mm , so I dunno how he killed that guy in the crowd.
My God, that **** would have gone through his eye only for the head tilt.
Just looked through the whole thread and some comments by certain posters who are actually disappointed that the shooter missed? real 3rd world ****, disgraceful!
Yet the comments are still here and applauded which is quite disgusting. Trump is a divisive person no doubt, but if roles were reversed and had this happened to Biden it would be a completely different actions. Disagreeing with someone is fair, but wishing death is way below belt.
Well, you would say that, wouldn’t you. 😂
Kudos Sir/Mam I'll give you that 😉
But surely even you can't agree with what just happened? whatever you think about him?
”more likely a Biden fan” sure, sounds legit, in-depth analysis there.
I thought he was hit by a piece of glass from a shattered teleprompter. Whose telling the truth here?
No he wasn't. Its been well established at this stage that it was a bullet. No idea why some media outlets are still trying to play down this very serious incident
What is informing any of this "guess"*? His father was a libertarian, his mother, a democrat. His classmates say he was conservative.
*I think you meant the word, "hope".
Classic mirroring…..at best! But probably just plain old dishonesty because its basically the well worn tactic of accusing your opponent of the things you are doing in spades. I was listening to Andrew Marr this morning, they have acknowledged that the Hitler comparisons are wrong and overdone. And they are not the only ones. It's obvious from the this thread alone that the Biden/Democrat water carriers are spewing there own conspiracy theories that are equal in scale to anything QAnon has come out with. Any spurious comparisons with Hitler are negated by the obvious differences. Trump is an isolationist. He has virtually no military escapades under his belt. He is not immersed in antisemitism. He has no military career to speak of. In fact many of the things he rails against are no different to the things the occupy movement protested against after the crash or the anti-globalist crowd protested against in the 90s.
There's a good argument that Stalin and Hitler were very much alike. Hannah Arendt made the comparison in The Origins of Totalitarianism.
They were both very different from other fascists and communists and were more alike than unalike in how they exercised their power. If we ignore the completely different economics, they were very similar. The core of totalitarianism is that one man can save you. And there is always an enemy there's always an "Other". Even during peacetime. That enemy hates you and your country, even though they are your fellow countryman. And you'd be living in a perfect country if this internal enemy wasn't trying to keep you down. Since this can't be true, even if they eliminate that enemy, there's always another. Until eventually, it's people who don't believe in the leader enough.
That's why Arendt separated them from other fascists and communists and said they were actually more like each other than they were like other fascists/communists.
If someone told you that Putin was shot but not killed, would you be upset?
There are some similarities with the DePape guy who attacked Paul Pelosi with the hammer. DePape made an attack on the Pelosi family with the obvious attempt to do extreme harm. But when you look at his background you see he could have gone any way. He spent most of his adult life shacked up in some form with the nudist left wing conspiracy theorist Dead Head (Short bus included) Gypsy Taub. His life was loony radical California in a nutshell. Yet the media treated him as another MAGA guy. Why he attacked the home of a political leader who represents a party that is the only conceivable home for this type of nut? Why even ask? It was clearly devoid of reason. He was radicalized by the left. He just turned his coat inside out.
Comparing similarities and concluding that Stalin was a Fascist because he was a cvnt is an attempt at editorialising history.
Why not say that Hitler was a communist by that logic?
There's a big issue with left these days trying to absolve the Soviet Union of responsibility for its crimes. Vladimir Lenins face on trans flags at rallies puzzles me, he was a bloodthirsty lunatic but he doesn't have the same ick factor that Stalin has so we can safely use his image to promote socialism.
The only honest interpretation of the far right and far left in historical terms is to observe that both were forces for unbridled evil. Any attempt to excuse one side is dishonest and based in personal biases and should be dismissed out of hand for that claptrap it is.
Way to miss the point, nullzero. Maybe read Grayson's post again?
i though there were ladders fitted to the building but the guy actually bought a ladder in the nearby home depot and placed it against the building…
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/07/15/us/thomas-crooks-trump-rally-shooting-invs/index.html
this is how its done, Maduro's security has a lot to teach the yanks
https://x.com/upholdreality/status/1813337295652811202
Well, seeing as he didn't try to assassinate Biden, I think it's a fair point…
he went into the secure area carrying a rangefinder… https://edition.cnn.com/2024/07/16/politics/trump-shooter-requested-saturday-off-from-work/index.html
Maybe just maybe the only agenda the shooter had was to get his 15 minutes of fame and to be remembered in history books for something.
The names of assassins and would be assassins of famous people are remembered in the history books as much as the victims are.
I read that his parents were Democrats. Has that been disproved?
All due respect but, no sh*t, it would have gone through his head.
Everyone who saw the videos online within 15 minutes of it happening Saturday night knew that that was the case.
I understood their point perfectly. The motivation behind the push to make people believe Stalin was a Fascist is rooted in a need by the left to absolve the left of its historical crimes.
We all know there are similarities between Stalin and Hitler, the push to ascribe Stalins crimes to his actually being a Fascist is just an attempt to whitewash the image of Socialism and that's just BS of the highest order.
All this is only tangentially relevant to this threads topic by virtue of the fact that we're seeing "the left" contorting itself to be absolved of any wrong doing in this case as well.
I would imagine you are 100% right in that conclusion. I doubt it was politically motivated and instead is a result of mental health issues and wanting to go into the history books. Was far from a well planned attack but he came pretty close
My apologies to you for being a bit flippant. But, surely the point being made by Grayson is that Trump, Hitler and Stalin (among many others) are authoritarian in nature? As are many political doctrines such as fascism and communism. I dislike the whole left/right terminology and find it to be a weird, very American way to view the world which doesn't translate very well to Europe, where we do understand fascism and communism very well, as they were pretty much invented this side of the Atlantic.
We all have our cultural and political reference points: for those in the US it's "left/right" and any comparison with Hitler or Stalin might look like a cheap comparison to an evil mass murderer. In Europe, I would suggest, it's a little more nuanced than that. Fascism, as experienced by Europeans in the 20th century, is not simply about "Hitler was a bad man" - it's about the bigger picture. And the way the GOP and Trump are behaving today, is horribly reminiscent of 1930s Italy and Germany.
Now you might not like the comparisons, but dismissing them as "the left want to make evil socialism look good" seems a bit of a reach.
Destroyed? Like this? Maybe you should choose your words with more exactitude.
