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I take it the Greens don't factor very much in any of your political takes? They never get a look in. What's their financial ideas for the state, after reintroducing the wolves?
Grow tomato's on window sills. Profit.
That's incorrect. I remember when FF did a massive giveaway budget before 2007 and Richard Burton came on the radio after the announcement. He was asked how could he possibly criticise a budget that was so generous. His answer - he said the government hadn't gone far enough! I couldn't believe my ears.
Any update on the 30 children that are missing under Tusla and Roderic o Gormans watch?
Didn’t think so.
What a country.
I was asked for examples of opposition to what the Government was doing in the 2002-2007 period in relation to public expenditure, and I gave those examples.
The Greens at the time took a wider view on the lack of environmental protection measures in the budgets.
Unlike yourself, I don't cling to a single party's view of the world.
To be fair, they tried to "sensible fiscal restraint" approach in 2002 and got absolutely annihilated at the polls.
I know and they completely flip flopped when the fake FF Tiger was roaring. It was all a cod. I am still amazed that FF are still a going concern. Crooks.
No party is going to continue headlong with the same policies when they are decimated at an election because those policies have been clearly rejected by the electorate. Call it flip-flopping if you want - there is obviously a fairly fuzzy grey area between adapting to the wants of the electorate and being simply populist.
Yeah tell that to Blanch who denied it happened.
Fine Gael criticised the Bertie government for not spending enough!
Yet you couldn't help talking about the present and Doherty. Still no Green party financial titbits. Never mind, likely something to do with magic beans.
That's in your head. I'm not the one bringing Sinn Fein into discussions in a FF/FG/Green thread.
2,000 International Protection Applicants with no accommodation at the moment in this state.
The government said they were setting up Thorton Hall. They must have said that about 2 months ago. And that seems increasingly unlikely.
Refugees attacked in Phisborough on Monday and tents being moved constantly. This government doesn't seem to care.
There are 600 International Protection Applicants arriving per week now. Even if they set up Thornton Hall to take 3000 of them, which would be an unheard of large facility, it would be full within a few weeks.
The problem isn't setting up facilities - its the complete lack of control of the borders. We need to stop taking people in in these unsustainable numbers, not keep building a never ending series of new centers to accomodate them. But our government doesn't seem to be capable of doing this.
And rather relevant on that exact uncontrolled borders by our government note, in the news yesterday:
https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/courts/2024/07/16/man-jailed-for-sexually-assaulting-woman-after-following-her-around-dublin-city-centre/
"Adel Kerai (26) had just arrived in the State five days before the incident, Dublin Circuit Criminal Court heard. He is originally from Algeria and is seeking asylum here on the basis that he was persecuted for his political beliefs.
[fairly graphic sexual assault details I'll omit]
Mr Spencer said Kerai intends to apply for asylum in this country and wishes to build a life for himself upon his release from custody."
It's been clear for a number of years that the government are incompetent and incapable in many areas. This is but one.
The politicians that make money off asylum seekers and the Irish caught in the festering housing crisis are not inclined to want to change things.
I think it's shameful that people coming to Ireland for protection are left on the canal side to fend for themselves. It's gross incompetence to not vet each arrival or in the least detain them until they are identified.
The coolock incident was indeed thuggery. The state refuses to engage with communities in a meaningful manner and carrying out work under darkness couldn't look more like they've something to hide. They lost the PR battle several months ago.
If they can chart a favourable course through personal tax, expense claims and registers of interest, they can sort this surely.
He gave a false name. Had no ID. He has a record in the UK after only being there a year. He will be joining the asylum process when he finishes his reduced sentence.
Why couldn't they have discovered this record upon arrival? He did not get to the UK with no ID. He did not get to Ireland with no ID.
He came in from the UK as part of the common travel area.
Are you suggesting that the government should shut down the common travel area and put border checkpoints up along the border with Northern Ireland?
You do know that there is a common travel area, and any criminal from the UK can come here freely and vice versa?
He presented himself at Dublin airport. To get on a plane to Dublin from the UK he needed some form of ID, which he them apparently destroyed to claim asylum here.
There are a number of things an effectively run government could have done in this scenario - completely prevent his entry to the country when he had no ID being chief among them, and very easy to do. Or even if he had arrived via the North (which he didn't), when he presented for asylum the state could refuse his claim given he arrived illegally and return him to his country of origin.
And at the very least you'd think they could do a criminal background check on him against UK records, given he admitted to coming from there.
Its hardly controversial to suggest a competent government immigration policy should not let sex offenders into the country instantly, free to roam around the country sexually assaulting women.
The only thing that should happen here is an escort to the airport to be deported back to the UK (where he was also convicted of various offences per the article) or Algeria. The notion that this guy will be put up (albeit in prison) at our expense until he is released and then considered for permanent residency is absolute nonsense.
As is the sentence for that matter… 4 years reduced to 27 months, and backdated to December (I'd love to know what the "mitigating factors" were), so in just over 18 months he'll be back on the street.
You read, I assume, that they were able to ascertain his true identity and find his UK criminal record? I'm asking why not at port of entry, or a holding area?
It's ridiculous.
All they need do is create a photographic database. No ID wouldn't matter with people trying it on a second time at least. We could share with the UK.
The Dail is in recess just a few days and already you can see it will be a summer of chaos. Zero update before the recess on RTE, the Hate Speech bill or the 6 Immigration hubs while the Dail was sitting. Well done FFG, nothing done.
Is there a holding area in Ravensdale?
Should we ban all people with UK convictions from here?
So are you saying that people with a criminal record in the UK shouldn't be let in here?
Depends on the nature of that record really - the number/type of offences etc.
This guy has shown himself to be a sexual predator. Don't we already refuse those? (if not we damn well should be!) If his previous offences were of the same nature, well then it's pretty obvious he shouldn't have been here in the first place.
Don't think we refuse those. If I recall correctly, Liam Adams got a job down here despite being known as a sexual predator. One law for some?
The common travel area only applies to citizens of the UK and Ireland, it doesnt allow for asylum seekers to move freely between both.
If not, there should be. Most ports of entry have a security area.
It depends on the crime and why they are coming here. A person with no ID, who gave a fake name, with a criminal record. I wouldn't let him in.
You're suggesting open borders.
Again with the SF 🙄
