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No DEI agents protecting Trump at the RNC convention, interesting.
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Another one who's failed to understand the points being made.
Ya, I'll wait until the time, if it happens….I've seen political figures get over 30 indictments for one act. If anybody who harmed a security officer gets pardoned I'll be first to come on here, offer my disgust…how's that?
Summary of charges and convictions. Seems that casual nonviolent trespasser wasn't even detained.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_proceedings_in_the_January_6_United_States_Capitol_attack#:~:text=Guilty%20findings,-As%20of%20October&text=By%20July%202023%2C%20629%20defendants,were%20acquitted%20of%20all%20charges.
Comedy is not for you I think…
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/01/trump-took-shelter-in-a-white-house-bunker-as-protests-raged.html
Hope this helps. Anyone got any information about the violent thugs on this occasion? How many of them got jail?
So Trump can incite a mob to storm the Capitol... they can be convicted by court of law... and Trump pardom them. All ok.
In such a culture of political violence, the Pelosi family are attacked. Trump can joke about it. All ok.
But something something the Democrats and left wing media are to blame for a culture of political violence when the violence makes its way to Trump.
Even when the shooter is a registered Republican conservative gun nut.
Not convincing is it.
I've been crystal clear.
Any violent offender should be punished.
Anybody who wasn't violent, and was one of the the many we saw casually walking around the building taking pictures should not be punished. And it is my understanding that is who Trump is referring to as it is also my understanding that there are an amount of people in prison who didn't even enter the site, they were merely in the vicinity.
I'm well used to your posting style, you are trying to provoke a response to which you can then report to the mods. You are notorious on this site.
Huh. My bad for definitions. I thought it had to be successful to be counted as more than attempted.
Well then it is pretty cut and dry case of it.
Never forget that there are good people on both sides.
Pesky Iranians are out to get me now. Ba$tards.
I did. And I've already said, any violent protester should be punished. Did you see the footage I described?(For the third time)
In my defense, I don't think the violent baying mob who tried to burn down the Whitehouse whilst Trump was inside during the summer of 2020 were insurrectionists or assassins, they were just a violent mob.
Must have missed that?
Have you citation for your claim that a mob tried to burn down the White House?
I'm well used to this mob. The lads who have been posting about Trump OBSESSIVELY over the last 7 years whilst accusing anyone who doesn't agree them with as "cultists"…claim everyone else is suffering from cognitive dissonance.
This is an Irish forum after all, the only country (including the US) where Joe Biden can muster up any kind of an enthusiastic crowd!!
You were asked a straight question about Trump pardoning those convicted of offences on January 6th - and what message that sends out about encouraging political violence.
And you deflect with drivel and whataboutery.
You were the one who used the phrase 'legally obliged' to another poster and when cited back at you, you disingenuously play dumb.
Says it all. Proof positive you have no coherent position here.
Harsh words... Trump pushed it 'too far'. By the standard of your posts we can declare the shooter 'pushed it to far'.
Maybe if the shooter had survived, Biden should have pardoned him. As you say there has been a lot of political violence. If its ok for Trump to pardon the offenders of January 6th, which you seem to be arguing it is in your posts.
Of course if you dont think it is ok for Trump to pardon them, you could just say so? So why dont you?
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Did you see the footage I described?
Did you see the footage that was released only last year? Where security officers were opening doors for the "insurrectionists"?
Some people should definitely take a walk away from this thread:-)
What are you on about?
I think Trump pushed it too far, there had been absolutely massive protests over those number of weeks all peaceful, there was nearly a million people in Washington that day, the vast majority of whom did not go near the Capitol.
I think Trump behaved disgracefully and naively that should have finished him off…but Kamala Harris went much further that summer and her career flourished afterward…it's a shame US politics has descended to where it is….The US saw a lot of political violence that year let us not forget.
I am just a poster on this forum, like everyone else, I am not obliged to anything!!!
I saw security running. I saw people smashing doors and windows. I saw Senators running in fear in corridors. I saw senators and staff crouched down behind desks.
Is this normal run of the mill behaviour for tours there? How do they get any work done at all?
I'm asking you as you are denying that it was an insurrection. You should let some of the men imprisoned for insurrection know that you have proof it wasn't an insurrection. Maybe they could have done with you as their attorney?
Do insurrectionists? Why are you asking me….we all saw the footage…people walking casually about, taking pics, chatting with security officers, staying between the ropes…don't act like you didn't see that!
You accept there was violence incited ny Trump on January 6th.
Trump is on record as saying he would consider pardoning those involved if re-elected.
What sort of message does that send about Trumps approval of political violence?
You have already ignored the question once.
You can ignore the question again but it is completely discrediting of your posts and you know it. You have no credible or coherent defence.
This is the political environment Trump has created. Use political violence in his support and he will pardon you.
Are you "legally obliged" (your phrase) to go to bat defending Trump even as the violence he incited led to bloodshed?
Do many tourists sh*t in offices while on a peaceful tour in your world?
I think there was a lot of violence outside the building that much is clear, and those people should rightly be punished.
But inside the building, it was clear that there people just strolling around who did look more like tourists than insurrectionists…I don't know how you can say otherwise, that footage was buried until last year…we still haven't been shown the rest of footage for some odd reason.
Are you legally obliged to gobble up whatever your news feed shoves your way?
It was not an insurrection
No. It was a literal insurrection.
noun
a violent uprising against an authority or government.
The fact they didn't get their hands on Pence or Pelosi is moot.
That was totally out of order.
Haven't they enough on their plates already without being accused of being behind a criminal lying rapist?
It was not an insurrection, it was an attempted insurrection. As for how it would work if the crowd got their hands on Pence, well stupidity is not considered a defense afaik.
It was interesting following the Donald forum in the lead up and after. It was a lot of encouraging violence for the day saying Donald would be president one of the 3 boxes (ballot, judges or ammo). Of course once it happened and they realised it was bad it had to be blamed on ANTIFA actors (now that is no longer possible so you have to diminish it). Granted the IQ on that site was never high, even as I got bored of it in the following weeks many were still convinced Donald Trump had only let Biden think he had won as part of a master plan that would always involve dropping democrats out of helicopters. Seriously they were obsessed with helicopters.
It was apparent from a mile off that a crowd going to it were ready for violence.
But to think what we saw was an insurrection is ridiculous
I think what is ridiculous is pretending the violent mob were just well to do tourists having a lovely day out.
Are you legally obliged to take the contrary angle on every single topic?
So, all the mob would have to do is beat Mike Pence to death and bingo…insurrection over, Trump in for another 4 years…it's not exactly adding up is it!!
For the record, I would have thought Trump would have been finished for his naivety alone that day, I thought he pushed it too far….I also think had he won that November we would have seen a whole different level of violence during that period. The US went into election that night with over 20 city centres boarded up.
But to think what we saw was an insurrection is ridiculous, especially given what we have seen since, Ray Epps, the footage from inside the building that for some reason nobody wants us to see…the obfuscation of the FBI. The lack of security on the day…the public statements of one of the people in charge on the day (can't think of his name).
