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MAGA is a cult. The wife of the audience member who was killed complained about not having a call from Trump and refused a call from Biden because "her husband was a lifelong republican and wouldn't have wanted that".
What are you trying to say ?
My point is that Biden reached out to the victims family because it was the politically correct or smart thing to do
The fact that it appears a decent gesture is merely incidental
Do you know what a decent gesture is?
You're not making a point
Are you saying Joe Biden reached out to the victims family out of decency
This is the problem. You mention Hitler and because most peoples knowledge of him is post 1933 (in many cases just post 1939), they just don't understand or accept that the trajectory, tactics and rhetoric used by both MAGA and the Nazi party are identical. They only want to argue a narrow understanding of fascism and think they have owned you by saying "Well Trump hasn't started a a war or killed millions".
Fascism and authoritarianism doesn't have to result in war or genocide, but you can bet your bottom dollar it can lead to many degradations in rights and the destabilisation of cooperation and security. Trump wants to be a dictator. he has said so himself. His sycophants in the GOP will enable this if they think they can get away with it and now since they have ceased the court with far right extremists this becomes increasingly easier.
We hear a lot in Ireland and Europe about the rise of the far right (in Irelands case I think it is completely overblown as most far right candidates get little to no support), but if you analyse the current Republican party in the US they are as far right as the likes of Le Penn et al. There are a few decent Republicans who keep them in check for now but the are steadily getting ran out of the party and it is just becoming a far right MAGA party.
Do you understand what decent gesture means?
There's nothing difficult to get here.
But decent how
Does Biden reach out to all shooting victims
I'm saying that he reached out because it was the politically correct thing to do
Well as Trump himself has previously told us, Trump needs to be the one to shoot someone for his ratings to increase.
I'm saying it's a decent gesture.
No free poll boost from republican never Trumper kid shooting you
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-no-poll-boost-after-assassination-attempt-us-election-1925680
Cries of him securing the election for getting shot at seem … misfired.
You've just failed to understand the points being made.
That's not necessarily correct
Are you saying the gesture is made out of decency
Im no Trump fan but thats very washy altogether ,
Sure when Trump was in office "Portions of America today where, rightly or wrongly, people feel utterly disenfranchised with the political stalemate that the believe they see as stagnating their nation " could be said about democrats
Then u you have this "Both men promise the sun, moon and stars to these followers and will engage in all manner of extremist lies to massage that base's wants and beliefs" Biden has told lie after lie too,graduating in the top half of his law school class, having his house “burn down with my wife in it,” growing up in the Puerto Rican community, and once being the driver of “an 18-wheeler” that just a handful of falsehoods he has claimed
If people claim that is just him just getting mixed up , then surely the biggest lie of them all is trying to make the public believe is compos mentis the last few years
My point being they all lie, to compare Trump to Hitler is hyperbowl nonsense
Whether or not you think it's "all politics" is immaterial. It is however, at it's very basic level, the decent thing to do even if it is just gesture.
And to add to the above, the US National Debt increased by 7 trillion under his watch. And we think corruption is bad in Putin's Russia (which it is BTW!)
Yes exactly!
No arguments, it is what it is.
As you say Trump is a reflection of vast swathes of US citizens.
I recollect reading some time back that TV programs in the US were aimed at a mental ability of a twelve year old viewer.
I have seen a few of the MAGA followers interviewed, they cannot be told nor educated, they work on fear and hate.
Trump serves them well.
Of course behind it all is cash and those that make a fortune out of the lunacy, a bit like the ERG in the Tory party.
There seems to be a severe mental block with some of the simpler minds that prevents them from even having a basic understanding about the point about the similarities between the political journeys of both men. Some people hear "Hitler" and are completely ignorant of the man's history pre WWII. But there's numerous overlaps between Donald Trump's political path and Adolf Hitler's, whether any of it was intended or not, and it's undeniable if one knows their history.
Does that mean that Trump is Hitler? No. Does it mean that that both men's political lives, outlooks and desires are the exact same? No. But that's not what is being said here. Are there similarities and parallels with the trajectory of both men however? Yes, and they are very clear, if one knows of them.
Even some of the external conditions that gave rise to Hitler can be compared with the conditions that have seen Trump's political star ascend. Both men are seen by their extremist followers as messianic who's a cure for all of their ills. Both men promise the sun, moon and stars to these followers and will engage in all manner of extremist lies to massage that base's wants and beliefs…a base that's become completely disillusioned with the body politic of their country. Such conditions existed in Germany a century ago, as they do in portions of America today where, rightly or wrongly, people feel utterly disenfranchised with the political stalemate that they believe they see as stagnating their nation. This has allowed populists like both Hitler and Trump to occupy the political space that such a disillusionment creates.
While there are numerous differences between both men and their political lives, there are also numerous resemblances too. You just have to be aware of them.
True, it’s a farcical dynamic.
It's always the right wing that complain about cancel culture, who are the ones that officially cancel more.
He's reaching out because it's proper and decent?
Yet says nothing about the 500lb bombs
Would it not be proper and decent to speak out about that or is it all politics
Biden would forget who he is even talking to once he has been handed the phone. Might even think he is talking to Putin😂
Because it is the decent and proper thing for an American President to do.
Ah, The Grand Old Party.
Typical deranged MAGA Republican comment about the shooting.
Of course, those oh so concerned about the Democratic messaging towards Trump will have no comment to make on such inflammatory language and conspiracy theory whistling blaming the Democrats.
Marjorie Taylor Greene is facing calls to resign on social media after she quickly blamed Democrats for the attempted assassination of former President Donald Trump, saying Republicans are in a “battle” against the “party of pedophiles.”
The Georgia Republican congresswoman baselessly alleged there’s a conspiracy afoot, insisting “Democrats wanted this to happen” and have “wanted Trump gone for years and they’re prepared to do anything to make that happen.”
https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/world/mtg-faces-calls-to-resign-after-wild-statement-on-trump-shooting-democrats-are-the-party-of-pedophiles/ar-BB1q1jOH?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=565e49b1d9e74d039aa5bfa72fe8e710&ei=51
Yes but why is Biden reaching out ?
It's all politics
now if you don't take that seriously you need to have a good long hard look at yourself. he is a vile piece of shite.
I can't even say that I am the least bit surprised.
Not to the same extent
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/article/2024/jul/16/tenacious-d-newcastle-show-postponed-donald-trump-shooting-assassination-comments-ntwnfb
Cancel culture alive and well in the land of OZ
https://www.thejournal.ie/biden-bullseye-mistake-6437693-Jul2024/
