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Oh wow! You said full stop! It's all over people, everyone can go home now.
The thing about Trump is that nobody gives enough thought to the political environment and society that opened the door for him. I first saw Trump in 1990 on the news and I was 15 at the time. I thought he was a rich amoral whoremonger and I believe I had home pegged accurately. What I didn't understand was how much widespread adulation he received particularly in America but even the ITN news report had it as a subtext. Why was he worthy of it? It's simple, despite all of the bleating, he is a reflection of America itself. Not JFK,not MLK, not Lincoln or Washington but….Trump! His cameo appearances on children's movies, being feted by tinseltown, shock jocks, rappers and politicians is a reflection of a debased society where money and boosterism matters over character. The only real crime he committed was beating Hilary in 2016. Around 2006 I heard a GOP strategist on Matt Cooper or George Hook say "Thank God for Hillary" because of the poor prospects of the Republicans after Bush, and the odds that Hillary Clinton who was almost universally off putting being the Dems candidate would ultimately save the GOP. Which it ultimately did…but Trumpism was the consequence.
It's not as simple as that. Trump directly impacted the lives of millions of American, tens upon tens of thousands who died with his handling of the Covid Pandemic.
He massively influenced political discourse and the advancement of styles of discourse and political ideology in many countries. His push back on proven science, in terms of both healthcare and the environment has, and will impact many more people for many years.
The growth of anti-vac narratives, which has led to the emergence of diseases that were viewed as being contained is partly because of how Trump demeaned the medical science community.
Look at the UK, the standard of living has dropped massively in the last 15 years or so, a situation that happened both because of uber conservative mindsets and the poison narrative that Brexit would solve all problems. Trump isn't responsible for the UK, but its a ridiculous statement to suggest that political figures do not have massive impact on peoples lives. Either short term or long term.
as did the previous administration
The biggest danger with Trump is there's a lunatic at the helm in the US
Border control and a mexican wall isn't going to start ww3
The current administration are supplying the bombs that are killing innocents in gaza
Tell that to a child who has been raped and is now barred from seeking health care.
The first time, he focused on re-election and getting back in legitimately and threw a hissy fit when he didn't.
If he were to get in again, knowing he couldn't legally be elected a third time and now with a degree of immunity for official business, he has nothing to lose.
The classified documents case was kicked back and the SC diluted presidential legal responsibility. The seeds he planted the first time around are now beginning to flower.
Honestly, the Hitler comparisons are a bit much. Hitler was an idealogue, he believed his vile rhetoric.
Trump has more in common with Boss Tweed, he's a showman and a grifter who's sole interests are enriching himself, enjoying a luxurious lifestyle where no-one will question his bad behaviour and stalling the legal cases against him for another couple of decades so he can live the rest of his life in this manner to which he has become accustomed.
Obligatory Big Lebowski meme on the topic:
I agree Trump is a dangerous lunatic
I wouldn't see any major comparison to Hitler
I'm not really following this at all. Trump shouldn't be called out for his dangerous and inflammatory rhetoric because to criticise him is dangerous and inflammatory?
Out of curiosity, can one of the Trump fans give an example of what a valid critique of Trump looks like, say for example when he says that immigrants are poisoning the blood of the country? What should the criticism look like in that instance?
I'm saying that's what will happen if he ends up president.
Im sure there is a couple of threads around here for the Trump hater brigade. This is about the assassination attempt on Trump.
Back on subject I see the FBI finally broke into the phone and found nothing
Trump handed over large proportion of Ukraine?
And he has established 'Trumpism', that the MAGA Republicans are fine to go along with stealing an election based on lies. Pence stopped him last time. He won't make that mistake again, putting in a boot licker as VP this time.
With Trump as President, what's to stop Trump \ Vance from refusing to certify a legitimate Democratic victory, based on the same set of discredited lies they tried in 2020?
Plenty of damage can be done in 4 years. You can say life moves on but examples include him handing over large proportion of Ukraine, resulting in larger scale genocide in those territories. That equally impacts global stability. Even domestically, you and others seem to forget that his previous presidency was endless scandals including an extortion attempt for dirt against his opponent and an insurrection. Assuming it'll be pretty normal is a big leap.
Yeah but it's four years and then he's gone, forever, from being a president at least. Life went on the first time, and it will again. For the average American resident it's not divisive because most people are normal, non extremist people who just get on with their lives like they did before. most people aren't political extremists of either persuasion, despite what you might be led to believe online.
It goes much further than that… "poisoning the blood of our nation" is on a whole other level to anything recent UK Conservatives have come out with. One can be in favour of restricting immigration without resorting to such inflammatory Nazi-esque language.
And the attempted stealing of elections… and the inciting of mobs to political violence to achieve his goals if thwarted… Clear parallels with the failed Beer Hall Putsch and January 6th.
Here is Trump calling his political opponents vermin. Again, not just opposing them politically, but using de-humanising inflammatory language.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/11/12/trump-rally-vermin-political-opponents/
As Biden says… “Look, how do you talk about the threat to democracy, which is real, when a president says things like he says?” Biden said. “Do you just not say anything because it may incite somebody?”
And to re-iterate, all the evidence is pointing to the shooter being a conservative 'never Trumper' as opposed to someone taking their cue from Democratic \ left wing media talking points. The motivation is therefore either coming from the right or coming from apolitical \ personal reasons.
Trumps actions are and will be a threat, full stop!
I don't think anyone is expecting Trump to start WW3 or set up extermination camps. But he would almost certainly be a very divisive President : such leaders thrive on division and setting people against each other. You only have to look at where his support comes from…Boris Johnson, Farage, Liz Truss, Orban, Elon Musk, Rupert Murdoch etc.
The main takeaway seemed to be the security failing
seems like this guy was literal rightwing never trumper
Like JD Vance.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-poisoning-blood-remarks-never-knew-hitler-said-rcna130958
"Trump's assertion that he didn't know Hitler used similar phrasing in his manifesto, "Mein Kampf," came after the former president made the comments last weekend, drawing comparisons to the genocidal Nazi dictator — and then repeated the term several more times.
In an interview Friday, conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt asked Trump if he used "poisoning the blood" in the same way Hitler meant it — that Jewish blood cannot be part of German blood.
"No, and I never knew that Hitler said it, either, by the way," Trump said. "And I never read 'Mein Kampf.' They said I read 'Mein Kampf.' These are people that are disinformation, horrible people that we’re dealing with. I never read 'Mein Kampf,'" the former president added.
Asked whether he intended the term to have a racist sentiment, Trump said, "Dear, no."
"First of all, I know nothing about Hitler. I’m not a student of Hitler. I never read his works," Trump added. "They say that he said something about blood. He didn’t say it the way I said it, either, by the way, it’s a very different kind of a statement."
Trump then continued to use the term during the interview with Hewitt, saying it means a certain group of people is ruining the country — echoing how Hitler used the term when speaking about Jews.
"They are poisoning the blood of our country," Trump said about immigrants. "And I’m not talking about a specific group, and I never read 'Mein Kampf,' and I have no idea what Hitler said other than I’ve seen on the news. And that’s a very entirely different thing than what I’m saying. They’re pouring, they’re destroying our country. They’re coming in from every continent, and we have no idea, we have no idea who they are, what they represent. Are they from jails? Are they from prisons? And I will tell you, a big percentage of the people coming in are from prisons and from mental institutions and are terrorists. And we cannot let that … and that is poisoning our country.""
And the worrying part is, if he didn't know Hitler said those things and that he just so happened to end up saying the same things himself, at no point has he reflected on the fact that he's thinking along the same lines as Hitler.
Sorry I don't have sock puppets to make it easier for you
Seems a tenuous enough link to Hitler
The use of inflammatory language
America
No, I'm saying Trump's poisonous and inflammatory rhetoric is comparable in many ways to that of Hitler in the early to mid 1930's.
where did he say that ?
its a dumb analogy, not serious or even logical analysis if you trying in someway to think it relates to Trump.
heres CBS reports on crooks being noticed by security before he got on the roof
they were suspicious of him for 26 minutes before
Are you saying Trump is planning an invasion
