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He looked in the direction of the shooter, and got grazed in the ear. What's hard to understand?
And why does it even matter.
He was standing side on to the shooter's position but had turned his head towards them because he was referring to a screen beside him so it the bullet glanced his ear and neck and passed behind him.
Ironically I could imagine Trump banning guns at his rally's in the name of securing his return to the White House.
This is my expert analysis from looking at pictures on BBC! But I guess we'll find out soon enough
What was the angle? And what angles are in your calculated range for avoiding a fatal shot?
"Shooter" has become such a normal term for Americans
Surely, given the angle , it's impossible for trump to have been shot in the ear and for the bullet to miss the rest of him? The injuries must be from debris or glass
That was my first thought. Wouldn't be surprised if a bloodbath accidently kicked off between heavily armed Trump fans if someone looked a bit too woke, liberal, ethnic or something.
He isn't only saying "get it done". He's said in the past "Let Israel finish the job". Now I'm on the fence about the whole Israel/Palestine/Hamas calamity but there's literally no way to interpret Trumps words here as a call to peace. So anyone claiming they'd vote for Trump because of what Biden has done with Israel at best needs their head checked and at worst are being deceptive.
Onto the assassination attempt. We don't yet know the motivation of the shooter. When he was 17 he made a $15 donation to ActBlue, a political action committee that raises money for left-leaning and Democratic politicians. He was also a card holding Republican. He's also a follower of pro gun, right leaning Youtube channel. So it's difficult to use any of this as reasoning for the attack.
If I was to guess he's just gonna be some gullible, pro gun, mentally unwell adolescent who spent way too much time online reading conspiracy theories and hated Trump for some reason. But I'll wait until I see more facts.
The only people I really have sympathy for is the poor fukker in the crowd who died and the others injured. Trump was a shitstain on society before having his ear pierced and he still is. Anyone on the thread who thinks another Trump term would be the same as his last clearly haven't been paying attention.
The war in Ukraine is much more active and dangerous globally now(and Trump clearly loves Putin and hates Zelensky) as is the Israel situation. Is there even a point in mentioning our climate and how Trump will do his utmost to reverse any positive trends there for his rich buddies? His former cabinet who pulled back on his reigns want nothing more to do with him. Do these people on here think time stands still? You're more than happy to deride Biden for being more doddery and confused than he was in 2020(he definitely is) but for some reason the last 4 years haven't made Trump more delusional and angry?
Oh and lets not forget he's a convicted felon and himself incited violence which led to deaths. An act he's shown no contrition for as of yet.
I don't wish death on Trump(more because I think making a martyr of him could have led to absolute chaos) but I definitely wouldn't have shed any tears if the bullet flew a few inches further right.
First off, for me, the derangement about Trump is those who still defend him 8 years after he is a been a political actor with everything that he has said, written and done. I mean, all of this has literally been done in public with very little room for ambiguity about his intent and style.
As for investing in the politics of another country maybe indicating derangement, you could see the same about following football clubs and you'd be a lot closer to the mark in terms of identifying it as derangement. Why do people do that? Because they're interested in the topic. But unquestionably, politics influences their lives in a lot more meaningful way. Even the politics of another country.
Me personally? I'm very interested in current affairs, have been since my late teens nearly 30 years ago. I told a friend in 2916 that Trump was going to be a massive problem and when he asked me what I meant I told him that I expected Trump to change the narrative as to what constituted acceptable behaviour in that office, and that is exactly what has happened. and then some. I sometimes think of how different the world could have been if in 2016 the global direction was to challenge issues such as the Climate, 1st world / 3rd World disparity, access to secure health housing etc etc, but instead, the top 3 conversations for all of us in the 8 years since (on a macro scale) have been The Pandemic, Brexit and Trump.
And as for how exactly has he influenced us, the shift in narrative to division and derision that we have seen among long standing political parties has been a lot to do with him. The emergence of misguided nationalism in so many countries has been a lot to do with him. The push back against proven science and medical experts has been a lot to do with him. America has always influenced us a lot, he is such an influence, and a bad one.
agree, they are known to be down every manhole when a president/former president etc is out and about. They don’t use measuring tapes to set limits of where a potential sniper is located.
is presumably the 'rationalisation'. To them it's probably so blindingly obvious they don't need to spell it out…
I think if the secret service can shoot an assassin without moving, then that would fall within their remit of areas that should be under control.
Have you seen the Google maps of what happened.. The shooter was like on the most obvious building to keep control of. It's an obvious failing and it's why the news is all over their failing.
Expecting that local police can do these things is absurd, and if you are right and that is the policy, it really is surprising more things like this haven't happened. You could have state-sponsored assassination attempts being the responsibility of local police.
If my understanding is naive, then it's the process that has the problem, not me. No one reasonable would think a sweep beforehand absolves the secret service from not watching obvious sniper positions.
Wait until Trump is elected,the wailing will be off the charts.
Biden increased shipments massively, suspended one? but keeps shipping them, and then threatened the ICC. I know you're deep deep into Biden but I also know you're incredibly against Israel's actions, and those two views are incompatible in any logical breakdown of the situation.
You probably don't understand the concept of inner and outer cordons.
The snipers behind Trump that were facing out from the stage and returned fire were Secret Service as were all those that emerged after the shots were fired. They provide the close protection detail for him.
They would have swept the areas including the surrounding buildings prior to his arrival but then their security is left to state and local police to maintain. He scaled a building off an adjacent car car the other side of a small field, his arrival and presence should have been noticed by those covering the surrounding roads and buildings.
The Secret Service are a relatively small unit, close protection detail, they're not an army, outer security at these events is provide by state and local police, sheriff depts etc.
What is your actual basis for this? Currently his concept of peace is handing over large portions of Ukraine to Russia who are committing genocide..... That doesn't sound like a person who would have bothered..
And once again this just sounds pretty suspect. Ukraine wants to retain their nation, the current ending of this war would amount to allowing genocide of a large proportion of Ukrainians.
Trump was destabilising while president, he literally attempt extort Zelensky to get dirt on a political opponent or he would withhold weaponry. That's a person who absolutely doesn't have any regard for his role and only ever put himself first. On top of that, are you really arguing for a rapist to prevent rapes?
God saved Trump supposedly.
Im genuinely curious for people who have a literal derangement about Trump. How has he actually negatively impacted your life personally. He didn't start any wars and we aren't subject to US domestic policy. Personally my life didn't change for good or bad when we became president, and it didn't change when Biden took over either. Honestly the amount of energy and emotion people invest in the politics of another country is bizarre.
you mean suspended weapons shipments. what shipment did Trump suspend? I mean besides abandoning the Kurds
Congressional Republicans only allowed any Ukraine aid through contingent on more Israel aid getting through if that’s what you mean to say. Keep on twisting though. You said you wanted to continue this in another thread yet you persist.
That's absurd. The rooftop is next to the stage. It isn't an apartment building with 100 windows. They are obviously responsible for security at all shooting points.
Like to genuinely believe the secret service's job has a perimeter within sight of those they are protecting? Really?
These sorts of inane arguments all fall down if you take it to the extreme. An apartment building full of snipers but it's outside of the exact area the rally is happening, and they just don't mind.
If you take "get it done" as meaning "wipe out Palestinians", I don't understand your support of the sitting US president who increased and has continued supplying weapons towards that cause.
That just means America is the monster, not the president in charge at the time. I cannot find any reasonable way to think otherwise if I consider your take on it.
Ok, we’ll disagree over the differences between the terms war and conflict, it’s noticeable that you haven’t argued against the part of the post which stated that war/conflicts escalated, more people dying, more people raped, during Biden time, and because he lacks any influence over other leaders.
Funny thinking that all coconspirators have to get out of a conspiracy alive (but I don’t think this was “staged”):
Nothing to do with the Secret Service, they man the inner cordon, the outer is covered by the local/state police department, sheriff etc.
He was nearly 200m from the stage, well outside the area the Secret Service deal with and man.
”you have to finish up” “and let’s get back to peace”
There’s a step one and a step 2. Step one is the finishing up, you’re naive if you think that means anything short of wiping out “the Palestine problem”
Peace is when Jared can develop new beach front property.
https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/19/jared-kushner-gaza-waterfront-property-israel-negev
The usual one is a fake escape plan. That way the shooter's silence is ensured. It's a bit of a rabbit hole to go down with some of the theories.
Don't read mainstream media. Don't listen to the consensus. Don't believe everything you read. Except this random site, read that. Conspiracy cranks are all the same.
And can't ever explain their beliefs, just say "do your own research" or similar.
What a load of rubbish.
Stop using Trump saying "get it done" as some sort of validation of Biden's actions. In the full quotes, Trump is clearly saying to get onto peace.
Anyways this thread is about the assassination attempt. We can continue arguing about this tomorrow in the relevant threads.
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