Just found the above chart backing up what I have been saying for years.
Global warming is a wholly natural event, if humanity disappeared tonight, global warming would still happen.
Your simply wrong, less people are living in poverty and under dictatorships than ever before. Life expectancy is the highest it ever has been and famine is now relatively rare. War is uncommon rather than the norm.
Your just twisted in the way you look at the world.
As for Savory , you cannot manage your way out of a problem if you don't actually have the tools to solve the problem - this is why every solution should be based upon verifiable evidence rather than fantastical claims. You get that through the scientific method, evidence collection and verification by peer review.
Climate change is a scintific problem, we have the evidence and the tool to solve it - we just need to implement the known solutions to slow and eventually reverse it. That takes political will at every level of society - which is what we are missing.
Start from the wrong assumptions and you end up at the wrong destination.
Lol how many people are living in poverty, war, famine, dictatorship, debt, drought, slavery, extinctions etc etc etc
There’s still as much bad **** happening to people now as throughout any time in history probably. We might have it grand now, but we’ve serious problem’s coming down the line. And your confused with what Savory is saying, it’s not a scientific problem, it’s a management problem.
Im sure they would, but I think if your in the hundred’s of billions of dollar’s of agricultural industry’s such as Monsanto, John Deere, Mc Donalds etc you probably haven’t much interest in changing. And they have huge influence over Government policy’s.
No i don’t care if regenerative agriculture hasnt all the answer’s to our problems but I’m 100% sure it’s going to have a very positive impact. And all the evidence is there.
We'd also produce a lot less animal proteins. If the USA could produce as much of their hormone/antibiotic ridden beef from pasture, they'd be doing it.
I think you're targeting the wrong sector is all. Changing to regenerative ag. may prolong soils, but you produce less. There's a trade off. Min till would be much better practiced over there. Cover cropping too. To be fair, the mostly chop their straw for organic matter back into the ground.
That's 'cause there are more and more people who want more and more stuff thanks to more and more conditioning on more and more communication channels.
So ultimately, you don't care if something is scientifically provable… Which your claims aren't. Basically you want to believe what you'd like to believe.
No it isn't, most things in human society are getting better. There are big problems with society but by every social metric possible we are living in the best of times.
Science is responsible for most of that, and real science (not the Savory kind of magical thinking) has the potential to solve all the remaining man made problems if we let it.
I really don’t care, science was practiced long long before peer review. today We have the most knowledge in human history yet everything we manage is getting worse. Socially, environmentally & economically. So somethings wrong.
Evidence is not required in religion.
We advanced much faster when the system of scientific papers came in and fellow scientists were able to peer review each others work. This is the very definition of the scientific method and it really kicked off after the enlightenment, ie after 1600.
So what you personally give a **** about isn't very important here.
We've also had the scientific method since then, Savory doesn't follow that though... Peer review does though.
i don’t really give a **** about peer review, nothing was peer reviewed before the 1600s
Yet look how much we advanced.
It's not scientifically provable? That's been one of the things I've learned from the studies of Savory's claims. Benefits are grossly exaggerated and that's why you can never provide peer reviewed studies that backup your claims.
I see you have absolutely no concept of what regenerative agriculture is. So go learn about it & then we might find some common ground.
Gonna use the United States as an example to answer this.
They till, plant, fertilise & spray over 100 million acres there to grow corn & grain to feed cattle in feedlots. Now you don’t need to be a genius to no the negative results of that system. Savory makes the case that maybe we ought to not do that anymore, maybe Cows should be raised on the land instead of feedlot’s….
Hmmm we Might save a couple billion litres of diesel, chemical sprays, chemical fert etc wouldnt that be a big win for everyone.
Once again, you've made an explicit claim that hasn't been scientifically verified. Savory and Co would absolutely be going through the peer review process on it if it was resulting in a provable increase in crop yield. Instead we get numerous claims that have no proof. When challenged on all of this, your retort is we should do it regardless.
Source is anecdotal - so not worth ****.
All I’ll say to this is that, surely it’s a bigger risk not to change. We really don’t have the time.
What risk is there to population? The US estimates they barely have enough top soil for another 50 harvests. We’re on the road to extinction already.
And regenerative agriculture depending on the management, is actually producing more food per acre than conventional. Source for that is White Oak Pastures in the USA.
We are heavily dependent on tillage farming to feed ourselves. Savory says absolutely nothing about his system as applied to tillage. What he advocates is converting everything to grazing with at best a 1/10th a level of productivity per area under agriculture - meaning we would need at least 10x the area of land to feed ourselves - even if it where a feasible strategy to pursue since most people could not and would not live on a diet of pure meat and diary.
Its pure fantasy science. Regenerative agriculture has a roll to play in restoring some degraded grazing land - but it cannot solve the problems of global warming and anyone who claims it can is lying.
I don't get this line of thinking. There's many things we should do before we have to go and reverse centuries of agriculture advances to try alleviate the issues at hand. Not saying for one second that agriculture shouldn't make changes, but it is small fry with a huge cost to populations if it goes awry.
That doesn't reference any of Savory/your claims so its a massive fail. Its a general treaty on soil carbon. It doesn't support the massive claims made by Savory about how much his specific system can sequester.
Big fail.
not my problem you didn’t read the Teagasc paper or the Royal Society’s paper.
No it hasn't. You haven't provided any supporting evidence - not a single tiny bit.
Your good at flowery rhetoric but not much else.
Everything iv said is backed up, Not my fault yee dont read it and can’t grasp the concept. as for yer solutions 😂😂😂😂
It doesn't support your specific claims so is not a very good argument.
You have parroted very specific claims about regenerative agriculture without ever supporting them with a shred of evidence.
Your position unfortunately discedits the potential that regenerative agriculture does offer.
you can do whatever you like my friend but I’m not gonna waste my time. Anybody with half a brain knows regenerative agriculture is the way forward.
I'm concluding there continue to be no peer review studies that validate the claims you repeated make so.
Im not gonna bother my time doing it for you because it would be a waste of it.
Rewilding isnt anything new. It’s conservation & reductionist management. I don’t see food security as a negative dunno where you got that from. But that success has come at a price to us, our health, the environment etc
And the damage we have done has the planet in real real trouble and our grandkids & there grandkids are gonna be inheriting serious trouble. Unless we change how we manage our resources now.
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